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should kells quit working with rappers (the Remix)

This is a discussion on should kells quit working with rappers (the Remix) within the R. Kelly Polls forums, part of the R. Kelly Music Chat category; No, he should carry on though I do question how much creative influence he has on a track these days, ...

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    Default Re: should kells quit working with rappers (the Remix)

    No, he should carry on though I do question how much creative influence he has on a track these days, he seems to just go with whatevers on the table.

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    No. The reason is not all colabos with rappers are bad. A few great cuts on his own album? Oh, why not? I'd love it.
    But, more than that on his own or others' albums, well....I can't make a clear-cut answer. But, if those songs are tight without being limited to club themes, then again, why not? IMO, if the number of songs stay within 1 or 2 songs, then, why not? And I really don't care about the number done outside his own albums. All and all, what it counts to me is quality and chemistry with collaborators. I wish he just can work with rappers only when he really wants. And so when certain rappers really wants to work with him. I mean, hooking up for more-about-business-than-music-itself could result in so-so or poor tracks.
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    yes,his past collabrations have been he needs to just concentrate on his own songs. the hell with the rappers they all suck

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    Why doesn't he work with R and B artists? it's like he wants to distance him self from singing. When was the last time he sang a good R&B song( excluding "in love with a thug"). I didn't really like the one with syleena either. If he came out with that R&B collab he would b hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Kelly View Post
    Well, on 12 Play there was a lot of rapping;). Rap collabos are cool, can be great - if the writer and producer delivers a good song, and that's R. Kelly. If a Kellz-produced rap collabo sucks, it's not necessarily the rapper's fault. One rap can't destroy a good song. Kellz has done wonderful rap collabos (and I don't even think "Wonderful" was that great), and I'm sure he can do more wonderful collabos in future, if he tries to.
    As for the personal aspects (some rappers fucking with Rob and stuff), I don't really care. All I'm interested in is the music.

    P.S.:
    However, right now, I don't want more than one or two rap collabos on his next album, preferably none at all.
    You're on the same page with me.

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    Yes, he should quit working with rappers, at least for a long, long, long time... It's true that not all rap collaborations are bad, in fact, there are some of them which are great or I consider to be masterpieces like "Don't Let Me Die", for example, but very few rappers are worthy IMO.

    Since when rappers make real music?? All I hear them do is sample this, sample that... they just use the good music that's already done, that's all.

    Rob definitely needs to stick to R.&B. and Soul, which is where real music is and where songwriters and ARTISTS are.

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    He should spend his time making timeless music instead of working with rappers that are only here for the moment. Like Huey, Chamillionaire, T-PAIN!!!!
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    Board is split on this one...

    And so am I. I voted YES because I want to hear R&B.

    Nothing wrong with doing a rap collab or rap spot here and there. But as long as he keeps the Chocolate Factory operating (smooth and meaningful R&B).

    I also dont think that the work he has done with the rap artists has been below standards. Below HIS standards maybe but not below HipHop standards. All of these songs were well done and his work on them was huge. Most of these songs are remembered by R.Kellys verse and not the rapper who's song it actually was!! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixmaster View Post
    I don't think he should quit working with rappers in general, but he should take a break from it.
    Mixmaster, you've got it right. Kells does some hot tracks with rappers. Take "Go Getta" for example. Other good ones are "Speedin'" and "That's That Shit." And most of the rapper-featuring songs on DU were cool.

    But Kells needs to go back to his pre-TP3 music. I want another Chocolate Factory!

    Quote Originally Posted by AZ2Chi1Kelly View Post
    Board is split on this one...

    And so am I. I voted YES because I want to hear R&B.

    Nothing wrong with doing a rap collab or rap spot here and there. But as long as he keeps the Chocolate Factory operating (smooth and meaningful R&B).

    I also dont think that the work he has done with the rap artists has been below standards. Below HIS standards maybe but not below HipHop standards. All of these songs were well done and his work on them was huge. Most of these songs are remembered by R.Kellys verse and not the rapper who's song it actually was!! lol
    That's also a good point, Chi1. I voted no just because I think he should take a break, but you raise a very good point because Kells below-average work is below average for KELLS, not for music in general. I'd rather hear 100 subpar Kells songs than a subpar one from anybody else. His voice is just too smooth.
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