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Do you feel most people hold R.Kelly to R&B Artist standards or Pop Artist standards?

This is a discussion on Do you feel most people hold R.Kelly to R&B Artist standards or Pop Artist standards? within the R. Kelly Polls forums, part of the R. Kelly Music Chat category; Originally Posted by braidedgirl If I were bold enough to say that Justin Timberlake is not even on the same ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by braidedgirl View Post
    If I were bold enough to say that Justin Timberlake is not even on the same level as R Kelly so there would be no comparison. It's because of a cat like Kells that Justin can even have a career...
    I whole heartedly agree with the above!

    Let's be clear: I didnt say Justin is on the same level as R.Kelly.

    But you may want to take it up with the Grammy's, MTV/VH1 and other media/industry guys who frequently pair the both up in the same awards categories.

    Maybe some words for Amazon.com and iTunes who frequently list JT's albums and some songs as R&B.
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    whatever I don't follow media trends

    Quote Originally Posted by AZ2Chi1Kelly View Post
    I whole heartedly agree with the above!

    Let's be clear: I didnt say Justin is on the same level as R.Kelly.

    But you may want to take it up with the Grammy's, MTV/VH1 and other media/industry guys who frequently pair the both up in the same awards categories.

    Maybe some words for Amazon.com and iTunes who frequently list JT's albums and some songs as R&B.
    Justin is music media's great white hope.

    Media doesn't matter when you're talking about an original artist like R Kelly. Robert has built an image and an entire world around him self. He has a realm of his very own that can not be taken away. Justin Timerlake shoplifted a small piece of Kells world. So any hype that's tries to compare them its just wishful thinking.

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    I honestly don't know. I think Kells has proven to be an anomaly as to the type of artist so people don't know where to really place him. For me he is an R&B artist first and foremost. But let's face, he is far beyond the rest of the crop so that and his popularity kinda put him in the pop catagory but not really there either. Kells is different from most artists especially today's artists in that he is really good and sells at pretty much whatever he does. He has worn so many other hats (writer, producer, "remix killa") outside of his own projects that he just doesn't fit comfortably into one category. I think when remixes are concerned he is probably considered pop and TITC alone placed him firmly in the pop arena. I think he may be the only artist that can actually make totally different music and get on both charts.

    But after thinking about it and your question, I think is being held to the standards of a pop artist because I don't believe that any R&B artist would garner the attention that he does in the mainstream media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ2Chi1Kelly View Post
    Good Post.

    Oh yea, my post isnt made to debate if he is R&B or Pop. Of course he is R&B.

    But sometimes reading stuff on the net by professional people and bloggers I think to myself how messed up it is to expect R&B Artist R.Kelly to go Platinum or higher when the genre is pushing between 200K-400K per artist???

    Its just always an uphill battle for Kellz I guess.....

    And RD is the truth. He made me a convert recently. Dude is hot R&B and TRUE R&B
    That expectation tells us why he has been the undisputed R&B superstar. "He's one of very few R&B (musically) artists whose sales and influence is like pop stars'"--->No need to say like this now. No need to seperate R&B standards from Pop standards no more. It's enough to say simply, "He's one of the biggest R&B artists".

    R&B-Soul and Hiphop has grown commercially over the years, so that means we can and should talk about the artists like they once talked about mainstream pop artists: "It's just good to be who you are. No need to be always compared to others to show who you are". And as a matter of fact, pop market ain't what it used to be. But I also know R&B/Soul market been hurting a lot traditionally and esp. recently.

    I'm a R&B/Soul fan and feel sorry that many other artists in the genre ain't selling these days. Also, I hope more stars come up for the health of the genre. There can only be a handful of superstars like him in history, but I think the gap between R.Kelly and other cats is too huge. It's no good. We need more stars.
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    I think he's held by R. Kelly standards, that being he isn't held strictly by R&B standards because he's always expected to give more but he isn't held by Pop standards either because he's clearly and R&B artist who every so often crossovers to Pop. He's in a category of his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ2Chi1Kelly View Post
    Here is a good example of how much harder the public and even R.Kelly Fans are on R.Kelly:

    Mariah Carey who is the female equivalent of R.Kelly as the highest selling Female of 1990s who is still relevant to this day.

    Mariah Carey in 1997 w/ the release of "Butterfly" went 6x Platinum.
    (I picked 1997-1998 because this is when R.Kelly's "R" came out which sold 8x Platinum)
    Mariah Carey in 2008 w/ the release of "E=MC2" just got over Platinum recently and its been out since April.

    Mariah is pimped out harder than a Hollywood Blvd hooker by Def Jam with enough marketing $$$$$ to account for as much money as Jive has spent on R.Kelly in his past TWO releases.

    But some critics and even some fans still call it a "fall off" by R.Kelly.

    Food for thought.
    not really because Mariah fell off and got black-balled and i myself wrote her off until Emancipation of Mimi back in 05 brought her back.

    the difference between Mariah and R are so much.


    where do I start and end?

    Mariah has a golden voice but has material that the I-Hop would mostly call too Syrupy and greasy. her voice is what sells alot of that bullshit she has done. give me about 3-4 of her songs on a good day and I'm straight with her career.

    not to mention she is R&b and Pop with the Gospel thing and also hip-Hop elements and club in there but she was paved as a coco puff take on Whitney Houston.

    all Major artists are Pimped including R.kelly. whenever you see R.Kelly on a Hook and in the video yeah he is getting paid but he is on deck with be it whomever it calls for, gotta sell that hook and video and the whole Product. that is the factory of the music business. all Acts on a major labels are Hoes and they all get Pimped and turned out at some time and point.

    they are all sharing the same producers and writers,mixers,accountings,etc...


    with R.kelly we expect them Hits but soulful and signature. He made a pressence with that soul. shit if mariah Carey ever had a song like Bump and Grind folks would have looked at her in a whole different light musically believe that.


    Mariah went platinum and in this day and time for a Black female artist who is 20 years deep in the game to still have modern hits and sell in a day and time when folks ain't even gotta buy albums speaks to mariah's fan base and loyality there. I ain't saying Mariah is making Great or even good music but her fans still support her and this album was a part two of the Mimi 1 back in 05 so this was throway shit and it still went platinum so she won.


    i can admire that Mariah has overcome so much politics. yeah she was married to the Boss of Sony Music tommy mottola and it seemed like a charmed life. but if you pay attnetion to mariah's careeer after 97 the ship was starting to sink.

    and she had her personal issues and switched labels 2 times and now she has won and can go tour and do other things.

    I can take or leave her music but I admire her toughness. that chick is tough and she been through the dryer over and over and still won.


    but musically speaking between her and R expectations are different. even non R fans still speak on 12 play but how many Mariah albums have ever heard of being given muc dap to? I liked Her unplugged set back in 92 and even half of that I find kinda dull. she has had cross over appeal but the standards are different between her and Kellz.


    and there ain't nothing wrong with bringing Justin timberlake and R.Kelly into a sentence beucase Timberlake is trying to get to where R has gotten. matter of fact JT is a Huge R fan. if you ever saw that SNL paroody of "Dick in the Box" the way Justin is singing that song is a direct R inspired run. but Timberlake is the Great white Hype and he will never be seen better than Eminem in terms of that white dude that got the whole Hood Pass. but he has his fans. I feel that R.kelly deserves that same audience and response that Justin Timberlake has gotten but we already know why he never fully see or get that and it ain't just based on the allegations it is racial and Poitical. still Timberlake can play in R&B but he knows he can always go back home.
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    Yea good post, Maxxx...

    Let me ask this then to those of you that said the R.Kelly is held to R&B Artist standards, do you see Happy People, TP3 and Double Up as successful albums (sales wise)??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxxx
    matter of fact JT is a Huge R fan. if you ever saw that SNL paroody of "Dick in the Box" the way Justin is singing that song is a direct R inspired run.
    (Off topic)

    I just had to youtube that and I am cracking up! This is awesome. For those who haven't seen it:



    From beginning to end this is totally an R. Kelly tribute with elements from Your Body's Calling and 12 Play. I have never heard that Justin did anything R. Kelly-related, but this is really something.

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    People who say Kells is a rapper and should be held to those standards as well as R&B standards are overlooking the point that except for I'm a Beast, Kells has never RAPPED on a song. sure, he freestyles, but he SINGS his lyrics.
    "'Let me remind you that I am the king of R&B.' It's an unnecessary boast: Who could possibly argue, or forget?" - Kelefa Sanneh; ​The New York Times; 2007

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    I believe TP-3, Double Up and Happy People (which went 2x plat) were very successful albums. I feel they were successful first and foremost because they were all certified platinum. We talkin' bout Kells pulling these #'s, who is a vet in this game (16 plus years), who is not one of these new R & B artists that get a lot of hype, promotion and has a strong young fan base. Artists like Neyo and T-Pain that are highly exposed and visable had album sales around the same as R Kelly's (Double Up and TP-3 cd's)....additionally, Kells sales were higher than Mario's, Lloyds, Pretty Ricky and Trey Songz last cd's....so IMO this justifies my feelings that the cd's were successful.

    A album is considered successful these days if it does Gold, which Kells never has a problem doing.

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