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R.Kelly is Marvin Gaye of Our Generation

This is a discussion on R.Kelly is Marvin Gaye of Our Generation within the R. Kelly News & Announcements forums, part of the R. Kelly Discussion category; Great Article! ---------------- http://media.www.michigandaily.com/m...-3133327.shtml I love to argue about music, but most people don't. There does, though, seem to be ...

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    thumbsup R.Kelly is Marvin Gaye of Our Generation

    Great Article!

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    I love to argue about music, but most people don't. There does, though, seem to be one person that a lot of people have some pretty strong opinions about: Robert Kelly. Want to start a fight at a party or alienate your friends? Tell them that R. Kelly is the Marvin Gaye of our generation. I guarantee the conversation doesn't end there.
    I really do believe that R. Kelly is a genius, and I don't bandy that term about lightly. So was Marvin Gaye; that's not even really up for debate. In fact, they're brilliant for similar reasons, so why do people who revere the latter not take the former seriously?
    The argument generally starts with "He sucks cause he pees on kids," which isn't really fair. Yes, he has been charged with as much, and the video is pretty damning, but that has absolutely nothing to do with his music. All sorts of brilliant people have done far nastier things. We're able to separate their art from their messy personal lives but, for some reason, R. Kelly is a monster to many. Marvin Gaye had a sex addiction and a formidable porn collection, but no one holds that against him (rightfully so).

    To a lot of other people, R. Kelly is just a joke. "How can you take him remotely seriously? He's, like, retarded!" is another familiar retort. No, he's like, funny. Humor is an element that's been missing from music for a little while now, but it wasn't always so rare. R. Kelly isn't afraid to laugh at himself, to write ridiculous lyrics or make hilarious YouTube videos. And you know what? It works.

    The one thing no one can argue about is R. Kelly's undeniable success. He burst onto the R&B scene in 1992 with supporting band Public Announcement for his debut album, Born into the '90s, and has never looked back. Thirteen mega-selling albums and 15 years later he's still making hits. From "I Believe I Can Fly" to "Ignition (Remix)" to "Real Talk," he's never let up, still on top of the charts and in heavy rotation even while wrapped up in controversy.

    I'm talking about hits he writes, produces and records himself. Hits he's written for other people, hits that he's sung with other people - and I'm not talking about Ashanti and Ja Rule. I'm talking about The Notorious B.I.G., Jay-Z, Nas and Michael Jackson. Those guys respected him, and no one would ever shit on their tastes or accomplishments. Sales don't mean everything - a lot of people I'd say aren't talented sell a lot of albums, but longevity and the ability to evolve with trends are something only great artists can claim.

    As for the Marvin Gaye comparison, I'm not sure I would put R. Kelly's voice on par with the Motown crooner, but the two stack up similarly, both having an innate skill for songs of the erotic variety. Quick, which one wrote "You Sure Love to Ball" and which one wrote "Honey Love"? There's not so much of a difference here, and one could even argue that Kelly's sex metaphors are a bit more skillful. Sure, "The Zoo" and "Sex Planet" aren't the type of songs that have women dropping their panties, but that's hardly the point.

    R. Kelly has successfully turned into a parody of himself, and whether you believe he's in on the joke or not, he's entertaining. Case in point: Trapped in the Closet. A brilliant, somewhat original format Kelly dubbed "Hip-Hopera" and released in chapters was such a hit it got the ultimate honor of a South Park parody.

    That R. Kelly is a genius because he's a supremely talented joke and Marvin Gaye was a genius because of his social and erogenous sensitivity is where people usually get hung up. But that's when " of our generation" part comes in.

    That comparison is serious, but it's also an indictment of where music and its social conscience have gone. The fact that hip hop has lost perspective on the original voice of its creators and their intents isn't R. Kelly's fault, and in a lot of ways, he's turned things back around. R. Kelly isn't being taken advantage of, and I think a lot of people are scared of him because of it.

    You don't have to love the man or his music to recognize his accomplishments and judge him on those merits. R. Kelly is a tremendous artist and, as I'm fond of saying, the second black Jesus (the first is the normal Jesus).
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    Yeah that was really a nice read and its all true, i think if more people would only see him as an artist and leave his personal live out of it there would be more articles like this.
    Thanks Az !

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    I agree with his conclusion just not how he arrives at it. Looking at R. Kelly's pre-2005 body of work Kells could be considered a musical genius on a serious basis for the variety and influence of his music and not for being "a parody of himself" as this guy suggests and as many people seem to believe today.

    If you want to read a serious in depth comparison of R. Kelly and Marvin Gaye I would recommend reading this article called "The Tortured Soul of Marvin Gaye and R. Kelly" by Mark Anthony Neal. I posted it on the old board a few years back but I'm not sure if it has been posted here yet. The similarities between the two are quite incredible.

    EDIT: Here is the link to the article, PopMatters


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    ^ ^ i read that review. its good too.

    whats important to remember about the 1st review is that although they talk about "parody" because of trapped in the closet etc etc etc they also say that r.kelly is "turning things back around".

    you have to examine r.kelly in segments. to examine him as a whole is too complicated and makes you compare trapped in the closet to step in the name of love. which is impossible to do.
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    I got one word: DOPE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ2Chi1Kelly View Post
    ^ ^ i read that review. its good too.

    whats important to remember about the 1st review is that although they talk about "parody" because of trapped in the closet etc etc etc they also say that r.kelly is "turning things back around".

    you have to examine r.kelly in segments. to examine him as a whole is too complicated and makes you compare trapped in the closet to step in the name of love. which is impossible to do.
    ^I know what you mean but from a pure musical perspective I think it is unfortunate that people will look at him and if they label him a genius, it will be because they realise that no other artist is willing to be as ridiculous and over the top as R. Kelly, i.e. Trapped In The Closet. That to me has been the double edged sword of Trapped, and furthermore the over-the-topness of Trapped then spreads into songs like Sex Planet for example where to be honest, yes it is humourous, but is also arguably the most ridiculous song he has ever released.

    As you say, to examine R. Kelly as a whole is quite complicated but prior to Trapped and prior to the time where it seemed like every song he was on was hip hop, it seemed like more proper journalists and writers were willing to write serious articles examining the merits and depth of his music. Since 2005 it seems like every other article is either critical of, or praising his humour and audacity. That to me is frustrating because 20 years down the track I think that will effect the man's musical legacy and credibility as a bonafide great, despite the fact that anyone who knows his work closely will realise his status as a great is unquestionable.

    Being compared to Marvin Gaye is one of the greatest compliments an artist could receive, yet R. Kelly has probably had more creative input into his music than Marvin Gaye ever had. Thats why IMO R. Kelly needs to stop messing around and start making the real timeless music that everyone knows he is capable of again. To me that is what it is all about - making timeless music that will be remembered for its serious musical merits and not is humour and shock value.

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    That is so true
    R.Kelly is the Undisputed king of R&B so lets Double up he's comin through ur speakers non stop

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    (singing) Tell it like it iiiiiissssss!!!!. Now, that's what I call a REAL, R. Kelly supporter! Everything that he had stated is the truth!
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    the man has evolved and changed. just the fact he is the only Main artist remaining from the New Jack Swing Era.g through Neo Soul, Hip-Hop taking things over and all the artists, File-Sharing and technilogy and not to mention the downsizing of the industry. factor in what goes for artist development today.

    R.Kelly has found a way to appeal and do what he wants to do and yet be a tradtionalist without changing. He is his own man and has a strong will. He took plenty from the past and yet made a modern vibe that will always keep something toward the future. for all the hate who else comes close to what R.Kelly has done over the past 20 years? He gets to People because he ain't accessible and he doesn't cater to one thing or the other. he flows on his own.

    Marvin Gaye in alot of ways was never the same after what's going on. he went into different directions. talent is talent.

    R.kelly is too much of his own damnself and some folks can't stand the fact that he sneers and does what he wants to do and is very successful at it. ain't many people can make that claim.

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    I like the article....but what I didnt like is when he said "I'm not sure I would put R. Kelly's voice on par with the Motown crooner (marvin gaye). R. Kelly's voice is strong and soulful. I understand that this is his oppinion but I just love r.kellys voice

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