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OFFICIAL Billboard Article on Double Up DEBUT!!

This is a discussion on OFFICIAL Billboard Article on Double Up DEBUT!! within the R. Kelly News & Announcements forums, part of the R. Kelly Discussion category; Originally Posted by chitownlov3r I'm strictly talking about numbers not about how we see him in regards to talent. His ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chitownlov3r View Post
    I'm strictly talking about numbers not about how we see him in regards to talent. His numbers in the past have been far superior to those people you mentioned. It's one thing to be on the radio, it's totally another thing to have your album sell. You showed that with the numbers you posted for those wannabees. R has a fanbase unlike those other's posted. If you were to put up people like Usher then maybe we can start putting things into a lil more perpective because Usher has sold albums in the past. Again these other artists have not. With that said, I think the very best way we can go about putting his first week album sales into perpective is by comparing this album to previous R albums. Now, there are an aray of variable surrounding R that could be brought into the argument, which I would be more than delighted to discuss with anyone, but showing me the numbers of people like lloyd and tyrese doesn't really put anything into perpective. I know quite a few people on this board from the old board, and I'd be willing to bet that they feel very similar to the way that I do about using these other people's number to put things into perpective. In fact, I know a few for sure who do.
    i agree with you.

    but we cant constantly compare r.kelly to r.kelly and make fair assesments. i know he is in a league and class of his own but you need to look at his industry and genre. and...those people are in his genre!? lol

    i even hate comparing him to usher.

    but to make a fair determination of the industry versus r.kelly numbers.....you gotta include the industry?!
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    To be honest with you, I'm only taking the entire industry into consideration a lil bit. I don't think that's the best way to put things into perpective. Here's an analogy. Let's take boxing for example. There are diff weights in boxing, whereby, boxers are compared to each other. The lightweights are not compared to the heavyweights, they are compared to the people in their weight class. This is not the greatest analogy, but maybe you can see the point. If we compare R a heavyweight like R to a lightweight like Lloyd, were not putting things into perpective by any means. This does not mean that R won't end up selling big with this album. It could very well happen that he does, but I'm not getting my undies in a bundle over his first week numbers

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    my take on this, you can't really compare His peers because Brian Mcknight ain't counted since 99 and he got marketed differently. very Talented cat,but his peak was about 8 years back and his prime was 10 years back. Joe: always a Hook Man who happen to be a Journey Man making albums. he stays consistant in what he does,but he ain't ever gonna get beyond or go any lower than what he does.

    as for lloyd,NeYo,etc.. all of those cats including Usher are all Broke versions of Michael Jackson,but Usher is a Good Entertainer and he keeps a few hits that cover his limitations from full view.

    R.Kelly is a Unique Artist because he came from a whole different time period and approach to his music. the best thing that happen to Kelly was that He started out writing and Producing on others and then he got his stuff out there. Kelly's situation is different than the other cats as well and only Usher outsells Kelly,but he doesn't make Music that rivals Kelly. these cats aside from R.Kelly and Usher will sell a 100-200 hundred thousand copies and at most will be lucky in a years circle time to match that.

    also the industry has acts labeled a certain way so alot of these acts that sell a 100-200 thousand off the bat obviously have a base,but the labels ain't gonna push them and if a vet act doesn't take too much loot in a advance then selling those 100-300 thousand copies off the job or in full for the Project is a good amount. depends on the circumnstances. for instance Charlie Wilson did extremly well and he only had 1 video. keep the costs down and if you sell 250-400 thousand copies then you Won and it's even. Record sales do tell the story and sometimes they only tell half the story depending on your advances and also the Promotions,etc......

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    so can we not compare r.kelly to anyone in his genre? or in the music industry?

    i mean, i see why and i agree.......but is that a fair judgement?/
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    ehm, I'm just asking. Why are you guys so sad about Kells "ONLY" selling 385,000? Are you scared he's gonna go bankrupt? seriously, the numbers are not disappointing at all, I mean double up is #1, I'm happy about that. Other artists would die for that numbers (especially in other countries), so stop crying

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ2Chi1Kelly View Post
    so can we not compare r.kelly to anyone in his genre? or in the music industry?

    i mean, i see why and i agree.......but is that a fair judgement?/
    you can compare but oyu also gotta balance out the acts you are mentioning in your arguments. I mean make a balance when you talk about R.Kelly and the other Artist or Artists that you are making your point on and about. I mean He is a intersting situation and the only person from his Peer core who can relate to his situation is Mary J.Bliege and Mariah Carey. they are his peers from the same time period in terms of the big sells and whatnot.Brian Mcknight ain't sold no Records really since 99.

    Quote Originally Posted by dayweed View Post
    ehm, I'm just asking. Why are you guys so sad about Kells "ONLY" selling 385,000? Are you scared he's gonna go bankrupt? seriously, the numbers are not disappointing at all, I mean double up is #1, I'm happy about that. Other artists would die for that numbers (especially in other countries), so stop crying
    well a few reasons: Jive spent alot of Money on this Project. and if it doesn't sell then they will force outside writers and Producers on him as time goes by. 1)

    as fans of this Man we want him to Sell alot and considering it was a weak week overall in terms Competition and since Kellz has easily surpassed going Gold in week one before Expectations were High. 2)

    you see the Hype being pushed and you think that after having a Number 1 DVD, Being on a Bunch of Projects in the past 6 months and more that it would carry over to this Project which is more Rap based. 3)

    naw not gonna go Bankrupt by any stretch,but the Industry is a Numbers game and even more so these days because the Label is watching everything. they are putting more eggs into T-Pain's Nest,AKon and others if the sales expectaiton ain't there. and when a Artist knows that you are only as good as your last Hit then expecations are truly high. 4)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayweed View Post
    ehm, I'm just asking. Why are you guys so sad about Kells "ONLY" selling 385,000? Are you scared he's gonna go bankrupt? seriously, the numbers are not disappointing at all, I mean double up is #1, I'm happy about that. Other artists would die for that numbers (especially in other countries), so stop crying
    co-sign. thats what im saying??? lol....

    pop acts that sell a million(s) will come and go.

    but this man been at it for two decades and still goes #1 on every chart and moves units.
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    Congrats. He's also dealing with younger generation who don't usually go out and buy records. That just feels toooo far from some of them while you see some others do that.

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