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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ2Chi1Kelly View Post
    yeah, i thought so too. but again, my reaction is the one of most people. we tend to just here negative stories.


    already, every article written about him, even GOOD reviews or GOOD storeis are footnoted by the "case" and "allegations". so this doesnt help.

    R. Kelly - "People got to understand that life is like a boxing ring. You don’t train to get in a boxing ring. I don’t care if you’re Tyson or Muhammad Ali. You don’t train to get into a boxing ring to just hit. You train to get hit. You don’t train to hit. You train to get hit ‘cause if you can take a hit you can continue to give a hit. If you can continue to take a hit and give a hit eventually you gonna knock somebody the hell out, and that’s how life is. Life is gonna hit you with all kind of blows, but if you’re able to stand, even if it knock you down, if you’re able to get up before you counted out, ‘cause when you counted out that means you are out. If you’re able to get up before they count you out then you able to continue on fighting, and that just shows your strength"

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    R. Kelly - "People got to understand that life is like a boxing ring. You don’t train to get in a boxing ring. I don’t care if you’re Tyson or Muhammad Ali. You don’t train to get into a boxing ring to just hit. You train to get hit. You don’t train to hit. You train to get hit ‘cause if you can take a hit you can continue to give a hit. If you can continue to take a hit and give a hit eventually you gonna knock somebody the hell out, and that’s how life is. Life is gonna hit you with all kind of blows, but if you’re able to stand, even if it knock you down, if you’re able to get up before you counted out, ‘cause when you counted out that means you are out. If you’re able to get up before they count you out then you able to continue on fighting, and that just shows your strength"
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    A Quote from an R. interview:

    "What are some of your earliest memories,where you're like ,”that’s chicago”?Stepping. When I think of Chicago I think of stepping. Going out and partying and having good time. And just music, cause Chicago is music. Chicago is stepping.”Step in the name of love”,that song came out of nowhere.Actually my uncle Henry Love out of Chicago_whom I mention on the album_came to me and said”Boy,you ain’t got no song with no stepping!Do a song with stepping in it .You done all these others songs, but you ain’t did nothing that represents steppers.”I said “Man you come on down to the studio later on ,and I’ll have a song ready.”Four, five hours_I was in a big hurry;it was a big challenge to show him that I could do a song like that. When he came by the studio ,he was blown away,he was out of his mind. He would just star stepping and stepping. And the more he would step, the more I would come out with my lyrics ,and it kinda came to be like that. That’s how it was born"

    If this is the guy do you think he deserves a payment for his influence on the track?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ2Chi1Kelly View Post
    intellectual property is soooo hard sometimes. lawyers that deal in this have a "gray area" the size of texas.

    for example: when does a conversation between r.kelly and his friends become "an idea worth banking hundreds of thousands on"?....or when is it just a conversation where friends are sharing thoughts????

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    A Quote from an R. interview:

    "What are some of your earliest memories,where you're like ,”that’s chicago”?Stepping. When I think of Chicago I think of stepping. Going out and partying and having good time. And just music, cause Chicago is music. Chicago is stepping.”Step in the name of love”,that song came out of nowhere.Actually my uncle Henry Love out of Chicago_whom I mention on the album_came to me and said”Boy,you ain’t got no song with no stepping!Do a song with stepping in it .You done all these others songs, but you ain’t did nothing that represents steppers.”I said “Man you come on down to the studio later on ,and I’ll have a song ready.”Four, five hours_I was in a big hurry;it was a big challenge to show him that I could do a song like that. When he came by the studio ,he was blown away,he was out of his mind. He would just star stepping and stepping. And the more he would step, the more I would come out with my lyrics ,and it kinda came to be like that. That’s how it was born"

    If this is the guy do you think he deserves a payment for his influence on the track?

    Andy...the above reason is the exact reason why i posted the above as well. There is such a gray area, especially with stuff like this.

    But I mean, IMO (im not an intellectual property lawyer) HE DOES NOT deserve anything. He just thinking because he discussed a possilb idea w/ Kells he deserves some cash.............
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    In actuallity, RKGURL has a point, if you come up w/ a concept, you have come w/ an idea for a project/song, so forth.... and SHOULD/COULD be paid for it...but, like Mistermaxx said, you need to make it legal right then and there, put it on paper, recorder or whatever...sorry, no verbal ish....even if friend, family, booty call or whomever, no verbal ish....ever.... you're only askin to be over, if you go that route....

    I think it's more to the story....I mean, why wait almost two-three years later, after Kells done made a whole nother cd...to even mention he 'owes you'....however if Unc did give him the concept, the RIGHT THING TO DO is slide him a cut, especially since he is his boy....

    What might have happen, they all were probaly and talkin' ish, and Unc went on, and on.....maybe the girl was dancing, and being fast [she does dance grown-up, nuff said] ......and uncle Henery, just spoke his mind...but then, it sunk in, Kellz might a thought, 'this negro anit my uncle fo' real'....and there went the beat down.......just a thought....

    I was in the studio one night, and was listening to this artist, a girl, trying to find the right lyrics to a beat...I sat and wrote out three lines...gave them to her...the producer loved it...I then handed them another sheet of paper, saying I wrote it and their signatures/date/ and a witness...it was simple and fun being around those types of folks...but no matter how much of a personal relationship you have w/ them, it should always be business.... b/c they will/can catch you up in a minute....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luvjoi View Post
    In actuallity, RKGURL has a point, if you come up w/ a concept, you have come w/ an idea for a project/song, so forth.... and SHOULD/COULD be paid for it...but, like Mistermaxx said, you need to make it legal right then and there, put it on paper, recorder or whatever...sorry, no verbal ish....even if friend, family, booty call or whomever, no verbal ish....ever.... you're only askin to be over, if you go that route....

    I think it's more to the story....I mean, why wait almost two-three years later, after Kells done made a whole nother cd...to even mention he 'owes you'....however if Unc did give him the concept, the RIGHT THING TO DO is slide him a cut, especially since he is his boy....

    What might have happen, they all were probaly and talkin' ish, and Unc went on, and on.....maybe the girl was dancing, and being fast [she does dance grown-up, nuff said] ......and uncle Henery, just spoke his mind...but then, it sunk in, Kellz might a thought, 'this negro anit my uncle fo' real'....and there went the beat down.......just a thought....

    I was in the studio one night, and was listening to this artist, a girl, trying to find the right lyrics to a beat...I sat and wrote out three lines...gave them to her...the producer loved it...I then handed them another sheet of paper, saying I wrote it and their signatures/date/ and a witness...it was simple and fun being around those types of folks...but no matter how much of a personal relationship you have w/ them, it should always be business.... b/c they will/can catch you up in a minute....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Luvjoi View Post
    In actuallity, RKGURL has a point, if you come up w/ a concept, you have come w/ an idea for a project/song, so forth.... and SHOULD/COULD be paid for it...but, like Mistermaxx said, you need to make it legal right then and there, put it on paper, recorder or whatever...sorry, no verbal ish....even if friend, family, booty call or whomever, no verbal ish....ever.... you're only askin to be over, if you go that route....

    I think it's more to the story....I mean, why wait almost two-three years later, after Kells done made a whole nother cd...to even mention he 'owes you'....however if Unc did give him the concept, the RIGHT THING TO DO is slide him a cut, especially since he is his boy....

    What might have happen, they all were probaly and talkin' ish, and Unc went on, and on.....maybe the girl was dancing, and being fast [she does dance grown-up, nuff said] ......and uncle Henery, just spoke his mind...but then, it sunk in, Kellz might a thought, 'this negro anit my uncle fo' real'....and there went the beat down.......just a thought....

    I was in the studio one night, and was listening to this artist, a girl, trying to find the right lyrics to a beat...I sat and wrote out three lines...gave them to her...the producer loved it...I then handed them another sheet of paper, saying I wrote it and their signatures/date/ and a witness...it was simple and fun being around those types of folks...but no matter how much of a personal relationship you have w/ them, it should always be business.... b/c they will/can catch you up in a minute....
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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20061005/en_music_eo/20172


    R. Kelly's "Uncle" Cries Foul




    another article from yahoo
    Psychopaths have a Hidden Content and grossly inflated view of their own Hidden Content and importance, a truly astounding egocentricity and sense of entitlement, and see themselves as the center of the universe, justified in living according to their own rules.

    Psychopaths show a stunning lack of concern for the effects their actions have on others, no matter how devastating these might be. They may appear completely forthright about the matter, calmly stating that they have no sense of guilt, are not sorry for the ensuing pain, and that there is no reason now to be concerned.

    Many of the characteristics displayed by psychopaths are closely associated with a profound lack of empathy and inability to construct a mental and emotional "facsimile" of another person.

    Psychopaths seem to suffer a kind of emotional poverty that limits the range and depth of their feelings. At times they appear to be cold and unemotional while nevertheless being prone to dramatic, shallow, and short-lived displays of feeling.
    Obligations and commitments mean nothing to psychopaths.

    But here is the crux: Psychopaths don't feel they have psychological or emotional problems, and they see no reason to change their behavior to conform with societal standards they do not agree with.







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    Vaughn said in an interview with the Sun-Times in April.
    is this the in thing to do now by running to jim derogatis with gossip...they are making things look worse for kells by bringing his daughter into this....
    Psychopaths have a Hidden Content and grossly inflated view of their own Hidden Content and importance, a truly astounding egocentricity and sense of entitlement, and see themselves as the center of the universe, justified in living according to their own rules.

    Psychopaths show a stunning lack of concern for the effects their actions have on others, no matter how devastating these might be. They may appear completely forthright about the matter, calmly stating that they have no sense of guilt, are not sorry for the ensuing pain, and that there is no reason now to be concerned.

    Many of the characteristics displayed by psychopaths are closely associated with a profound lack of empathy and inability to construct a mental and emotional "facsimile" of another person.

    Psychopaths seem to suffer a kind of emotional poverty that limits the range and depth of their feelings. At times they appear to be cold and unemotional while nevertheless being prone to dramatic, shallow, and short-lived displays of feeling.
    Obligations and commitments mean nothing to psychopaths.

    But here is the crux: Psychopaths don't feel they have psychological or emotional problems, and they see no reason to change their behavior to conform with societal standards they do not agree with.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Luvjoi View Post
    In actuallity, RKGURL has a point, if you come up w/ a concept, you have come w/ an idea for a project/song, so forth.... and SHOULD/COULD be paid for it...but, like Mistermaxx said, you need to make it legal right then and there, put it on paper, recorder or whatever...sorry, no verbal ish....even if friend, family, booty call or whomever, no verbal ish....ever.... you're only askin to be over, if you go that route....

    I think it's more to the story....I mean, why wait almost two-three years later, after Kells done made a whole nother cd...to even mention he 'owes you'....however if Unc did give him the concept, the RIGHT THING TO DO is slide him a cut, especially since he is his boy....

    What might have happen, they all were probaly and talkin' ish, and Unc went on, and on.....maybe the girl was dancing, and being fast [she does dance grown-up, nuff said] ......and uncle Henery, just spoke his mind...but then, it sunk in, Kellz might a thought, 'this negro anit my uncle fo' real'....and there went the beat down.......just a thought....

    I was in the studio one night, and was listening to this artist, a girl, trying to find the right lyrics to a beat...I sat and wrote out three lines...gave them to her...the producer loved it...I then handed them another sheet of paper, saying I wrote it and their signatures/date/ and a witness...it was simple and fun being around those types of folks...but no matter how much of a personal relationship you have w/ them, it should always be business.... b/c they will/can catch you up in a minute....
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