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Why Push 'Double Up' and NOT '12Play 4Q'?

This is a discussion on Why Push 'Double Up' and NOT '12Play 4Q'? within the R. Kelly Music Chat forums, part of the R. Kelly Discussion category; Hidden Content Originally Posted by frankstar Hidden Content Very nicely put i agree with all that and just want to ...

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by frankstar Hidden Content
    Very nicely put i agree with all that and just want to add that in my opinion an artist like kellz could get signed by any label at anytime imo so ther must of been a falling out if the rumours are true, although i was always a fan of the loyalty between him and jive - perhaps until now!


    Plus - mayb if he does leave lets pray we get musical virus!!!
    Although that would be great, I highly doubt we'll get it. I haven't really read much about the relationship with Jive, so I don't really know.

    For this climate of music, Double Up was filled with hits, but a)they didn't get the right singles out there and b) R. Kelly fans don't want to hear him do whats hot, they want to hear him make R. Kelly music, not southern hip hop

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    plain and simple jive feels r. has lost appeal (obviously they don't read this forum) therefore they try and market him towards what they feel is mainstream. It sucks that these label heads have no clue as to what customers want. Radio is worse than ever because of all of the washed down music that frankly insults me as they think this is the bull I want

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    Why does he have to leave Jive because of this? Is it because they won't let him do wha he wants? That's kind of what I'm getting? Pardon me, I don't know these things. I don't plan to keep asking these questions.
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    I thought I read or heard a while back that Jive was very flexible with what Kellz did as far as projects. Obviously Jive wants Kellz in one direction and the feeling isn't mutual.

    I'm hoping Kellz leaked this figuring we aren't gonna get a new album until later than expected.

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by studlee46 Hidden Content
    I thought I read or heard a while back that Jive was very flexible with what Kellz did as far as projects. Obviously Jive wants Kellz in one direction and the feeling isn't mutual.

    I'm hoping Kellz leaked this figuring we aren't gonna get a new album until later than expected.
    R.Kelly is tired of doing the same ole same. he did the Musical virus as a way to get out of the past. he been there and done that. you can't grow doing the same shit all the time and he knows that. there comes a time when hey it might not be number 1 on billboard but so what it's good strong quality music. he wants to do his thing and at this stage him doing what Akon, t-Pain are doing is so beneath him it ain't evne funny. ask Usher about playing follow the leader and you see where his sales are now? make the real deal music.

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    I think the Katrina album is another major sticking point. The amount of compassion he had for the victims, I think he really wanted to do an album. I definitely agree with Mixmaster's theory. I think a lot of us knew he was bored. You see the passion he has for TITC and then compare it to TP3 or DU.

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by mistermaxxx Hidden Content
    R.Kelly is tired of doing the same ole same. he did the Musical virus as a way to get out of the past. he been there and done that. you can't grow doing the same shit all the time and he knows that. there comes a time when hey it might not be number 1 on billboard but so what it's good strong quality music. he wants to do his thing and at this stage him doing what Akon, t-Pain are doing is so beneath him it ain't evne funny. ask Usher about playing follow the leader and you see where his sales are now? make the real deal music.
    Amen to that!

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    Why? The label wouldn't put trust in him believing that solid R&B album don't sell any more even though he's one of THE most commercial R&B aritsts out now. If he stays with Jive, they should know better than that. Even if he moves on and gets signed with Interscope, we can't still feel relaxed about the same issue. As long as he stays within the major labels, we can best wish he could bring closest thing to what he wants in terms of R&B/Soul.
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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by helena22 Hidden Content
    Why? The label wouldn't put trust in him believing that solid R&B album don't sell any more even though he's one of THE most commercial R&B aritsts out now. If he stays with Jive, they should know better than that. Even if he moves on and gets signed with Interscope, we can't still feel relaxed about the same issue. As long as he stays within the major labels, we can best wish he could bring closest thing to what he wants in terms of R&B/Soul.
    He needs to just go independent, then he can release whatever he wants. He has a stable enough fan base to make a killing if he goes independent. Money talks though

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by Mixmaster Hidden Content
    Only one explanation comes to my mind: Jive wanted R. Kelly to be where the money's at, namely ring-tone type of songs, crunk and fake hiphop which is hot right now. They thought that an album with this kind of music would actually sell more than a quality album with R&B for grown up people. Therefore they gave Double Up the bigger push but it didn't work. The fact that Hairbraider was chosen as the first single of the new album showes me that they didn't learn from their mistakes. And now I'm gonna get theoretical: As long as the trial kept on going, R. Kelly couldn't say anything against it because this was the place he was save at, but on the other hand he was dependend of them. Now, that the trial is over and other record companies (--> Interscope) would sign him, he had the power to confront Jive again with his imagination of R&B (which some of us feared, it might have changed). But Jive wanted to go on on the "Hairbraider-route" so he really decided to leave. Just my speculation though Hidden Content
    I think your on to something. Rob had been 'stuck' with Jive during the legal proceedings. But after the Not Guilty verdict, things have changed. More doors are now open for him and I'm sure he is exploring them. The ball is in his court now. TP12-4thQtr is/was his last cd under contract with Jive.

    I never see him going independent. Not enough money for him, and Rob LOVES money. He doesn't want to spend his own money on promotion. I don't see him trying to revive Rockland or start up a label either.

    Hidden Content Originally Posted by R Dot Hidden Content
    I think the Katrina album is another major sticking point. The amount of compassion he had for the victims, I think he really wanted to do an album. I definitely agree with Mixmaster's theory. I think a lot of us knew he was bored. You see the passion he has for TITC and then compare it to TP3 or DU.
    The Katrina album is/was not a sticking point. That was Charity aka NO profit couple of tracks that Kells could do in his sleep.
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