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    think What of other legendary artists and their musical evolution??

    What of other legendary artists and their musical evolution??

    Keepin' it Kellz:
    There are a couple of artists that Kellz has worked with who, because decades do change things, sound NOTHING like they did back at the peak of their success: The Isley Brothers and Charlie Wilson.

    Their style of music is completely different now as opposed to then.

    What do fans of these artists then AND now think about them? Are we getting the same type of thoughts that we do when we talk about new and old Kellz?
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    whatever Let me make sure...

    Before I answer this question??? You think that Charlie Wilson and The Isley Bros. sound different now as opposed to their music from the past???

    Of course they sound different music styles change. The Isley Bros started back in 1963 there is no way they can sound like that anymore the Motown DoWap sound is long gone. The music from the 70's and the Gap Band in the 80's is gone.

    Charlie Wilson still sounds the same so you can recognize his voice. Since R Kelly is producing the music it will sound like Kells music. Hidden Content

    Teddy Riley created the New Jack Swing in the late 80's that lasted for about 10 years before Boys II Men put harmony back on the map Bobby Brown mixed hip hop with R&B and sent music in a new direction.

    R Kelly hasn't changed the direction of the music industry, not yet he has never invented a music style. What he does is takes a style that is currently the trend and he improves on it.

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by braidedgirl Hidden Content
    Of course they sound different music styles change. The Isley Bros started back in 1963 there is no way they can sound like that anymore the Motown DoWap sound is long gone. The music from the 70's and the Gap Band in the 80's is gone.
    EXACTLY. ^ ^ Even though there are a few more decades under the Isleys belt and a couple for Charlie Wilson in comparison to Kellz I think the RULE still applies. R.Kelly sounds different because music does that and has done that for hundresds of years. I dont think that the Isleys would bring back Motown DoWap 20-30 years later. However, some people expect R.Kelly to the same? The days of the R&B Soul Man are far and few between...or AT THE VERY LEAST put on hold for a while.

    What im trying to get a sense of with this thread is members who did experience Charlie's and Isley's "hay-days" or at least the tail end of their peaks can tell me if they ever thought these acts "sold out" because they were trying to keep up with the times. On the same note that some R.Kelly fans think he sells out to trendy music.
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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by AZ2Chi1Kelly Hidden Content
    R.Kelly sounds different because music does that and has done that for hundresds of years.
    Of course you are right on that one, Az, but I can't agree fully with your statement. Why? Because a song like "I Wish" is pretty much timeless. Of course the beat etc sound modern (he could have never done such a beat in like 92) but hey, it's about the whole concept. He's already done songs, where he expresses his strong feelings ("sadie" for example) such a long long time ago but he isn't anymore. Where is the "I Wish 2008" track? Or the "Looking for Love 2008"??? We can't expect him to keep the same sound, but we can expect him to put out great quality music, music where he puts his heart and soul into it. At least, songs like "Sweet Tooth" or "Having a baby".
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    EXACTLY. ^ ^ Even though there are a few more decades under the Isleys belt and a couple for Charlie Wilson in comparison to Kellz I think the RULE still applies. R.Kelly sounds different because music does that and has done that for hundresds of years. I dont think that the Isleys would bring back Motown DoWap 20-30 years later. However, some people expect R.Kelly to the same? The days of the R&B Soul Man are far and few between...or AT THE VERY LEAST put on hold for a while.

    What im trying to get a sense of with this thread is members who did experience Charlie's and Isley's "hay-days" or at least the tail end of their peaks can tell me if they ever thought these acts "sold out" because they were trying to keep up with the times. On the same note that some R.Kelly fans think he sells out to trendy music.
    R Kelly is best at maintaining trends and giving a particular sound longevity. Kells sho improves what's already have been done... That's all good. That's what I love about him he can sound like anybody.

    I was there when the Gap Band was huge I saw them perform live at the Budweiser Super Fest back 1985-86. OOP Up Side Your Head had been around since 1982 and they were milking it. I remember The Isley Bros. but my that was more my older sisters generation from the 70's Earth Wind and Fire, Stevie Wonder and Paraliment Funk was big and the Isley's and the Ojay's was everything.

    Back then you had to sing well... Whereas right now you don't even have to know how to read music because most songs are covered or samples of previous great music.

    There is no trend really Hip Hop is a genre not a trend. Rap can change the big rappers in the 80's rap were simple basic, in the 90's rap could dance HammerTime, or gangsta rap.

    Someone needs to create a new trend.

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    Back in the day Kells was a trendsetter, now he's becoming a trendwatcher more and more. That's the only thing i'm concerned about. I still love his music, Double Up is the best album of 2007 for me no doubt. But Kells needs to set some new trends, he needs to stop following T-Pain with that computer voice bullshit. He's still capable of doing that no doubt, songs like "Let your light shine", "Rise Up" those are quality songs. And i do think that he's just trying out new shit right now and i believe that in the near future he'll show the world that he can make a classic R&B album again
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    correction the Isley Brothers been out since the end of the 50's. Isley Brothers were a Musical Hybrid just like Kellz. Ronald Isley back when he first started out had a Jackie Wilson, Johnny Mathis, Sam Cooke thing going on. then in the 70's you heard Sly and the Family Stone, Jimi hendrix on Ernie Isley's style of playing(Hendrix was in the Isley camp as was Elton John) and other influences.

    70's Funk era Isley's got stuff off of Sly and the Family Stone, Stevie Wonder and others but they could Groove and do there thing. they had a set formula of Funk jams and Slow jams which was what the 3+3 era of the Isley Brothers was all about.

    Charlie Wilson came from the school of Ray Charles,and other Church sounding crooners. the Wilson brothers were discovered by Leon Russell the Man who wrote " a song for you" which Donny hahaway made famous and also it has been covered by kellz.

    anyway the Gap Band were a hybrid musically of Sly and the Family Stone, P Funk, JB,and other acts but Charlie's vocals gave them a extra edge.


    technilogy changed the whole game of sound and then you got more digital Programming,etc... but the key is Songwriting period. if you can write and got what people want you will be alright.


    ok to the question at hand it is a divided house on the Isley's and Kellz. I hear some folks saying they hate the Mr Biggs era and don't like the drawn out drama. others say Kellz gave the Isley's another decade and added to there legacy. so it is divided.

    as for Charlie Wilson i heard mixed on first name charlie last name wilson, but it ain't gonna be a big deal unless it was the Gap Band per se.


    i grew up on the Gap Band and the Isley Brothers and I welcome all eras just as I do with Kellz,but I gotta admit i tend to prefer them at there best stuff prime and peak as to just getting over and I can tell when a vet act is just getting by.


    great topic

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    The Isley Brothers started as a gospel group in the 50's.

    I thought the topic was referring to R&B, Soul, Rock N Roll DooWap etc. The genre compared to today's music, Ron doesn't sing gospel anymore, or at least they don't play it on the radio anymore, so if that be the case then the Isley Bros didn't start until the early 60's like I said before...

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    I share the same sentiments as Dan... It's not a matter of sounding the same as he did 10 years ago, it's a matter of still putting soul and feeling into the music no matter the subject matter. That used to be a given but over the past few years it has become increasingly rare to hear that in his music

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by braidedgirl Hidden Content
    The Isley Brothers started as a gospel group in the 50's.

    I thought the topic was referring to R&B, Soul, Rock N Roll DooWap etc. The genre compared to today's music, Ron doesn't sing gospel anymore, or at least they don't play it on the radio anymore, so if that be the case then the Isley Bros didn't start until the early 60's like I said before...
    Ronald Isley says the 50's and he said so on the LIve Dvd and in terviews. Secualar or Gospel doesn't matter because when you start earning money it is all the same just as it was for Sam Cooke and the SOul Stirrers. learn your history before you speak. coming in here and not knowing nothing on the Isley brothers. the majority of Black Acts started out in the church and went into Secular Music.

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