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Recession in the R&B Scene & R.Kelly

This is a discussion on Recession in the R&B Scene & R.Kelly within the R. Kelly Music Chat forums, part of the R. Kelly Discussion category; ture that people...and happy B-day Rob....

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    ture that people...and happy B-day Rob.

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    being bored is the problem. and the acts that are out ain't about much. also the artist themselves has to step there own game and you can't blame nothing else. gotta have the material and gotta want it.

    it's easy to blame this or that and yes the industry is racist always has been and always will be, yes the economy is bad,however good to great music always sells. I can recall back in the day when the Music business was in the Hurts, Michael Jackson brought it back first with off the Wall and then thriller. artists just need to step there game up and stop allowing these labels control what they do.

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    It's more than R&B suffering from this recession. The whole industry is imploding. Just look at the top selling albums of the year. At best 5x Platinum is your highest total. A decade ago, you would be in the middle of the pack if you had those numbers.

    To me it comes down to:

    1. Artists that are not enough talent
    2. Artists that don't take chances
    3. Business people making music decisions instead of music people making those decisions
    4. Making mindless music, especially in R&B, Hip Hop, Pop and Rock

    The reason why Taylor Swift and Country music is doing well as a whole is because all the other genres have regressed in Sales. The audiences for those other genres are either sick of what they're listening to or downloading illegally. There's no value in the music. Country fans still go and buy CDs and value their music. That's it in a nutshell imho.

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    kells can work with who ever he wants...he just needs to keep it kells (slow grind and songs with meaning and heart). He work with some people early in his career that most of us did not know at that time but we knew it had his prints all over the music because he did him (not to say he have to be in a box, but a dash of this and that is always ok). The songs were setting the standard for R&B because he was doing it Kells.

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by R Dot Hidden Content
    It's more than R&B suffering from this recession. The whole industry is imploding. Just look at the top selling albums of the year. At best 5x Platinum is your highest total. A decade ago, you would be in the middle of the pack if you had those numbers.

    To me it comes down to:

    1. Artists that are not enough talent
    2. Artists that don't take chances
    3. Business people making music decisions instead of music people making those decisions
    4. Making mindless music, especially in R&B, Hip Hop, Pop and Rock

    The reason why Taylor Swift and Country music is doing well as a whole is because all the other genres have regressed in Sales. The audiences for those other genres are either sick of what they're listening to or downloading illegally. There's no value in the music. Country fans still go and buy CDs and value their music. That's it in a nutshell imho.
    if the product is deem worthy then folks will buy. bottom line it's about the songs. folks still want to buy, but thet need a reason.

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    2010 the recession will be over! Like the "R" would say! The storm is over

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by mistermaxxx Hidden Content
    if the product is deem worthy then folks will buy. bottom line it's about the songs. folks still want to buy, but thet need a reason.
    True. You sum up my points. It's pathetic what's considered a great song nowadays and who is considered a great artist.

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    We should start a thread" Stop downloading music illegally

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by helena22 Hidden Content
    The other day I was listening to some songs Kellz wrote for other R&B artists. At a certain point during one of the song, it sprang to mind that he hasn't done that recently as much as he did before. And I realized yet again there's been kind of severe recession in the R&B scene and he was hit by that. The music industry as a whole is going through recession, but I think the R&B genre is suffering more than some others like country. As a result, only very few R&B artists like him can stay laid-back. It's not that many R&B artists can make money off touring, let alone doing it in arenas or stadiums.

    In a nutshell, I strongly feel R.Kelly needs healthy R&B scene as much as it needs him. What do you think? Have you felt the same before?
    Good thread, helena. I totally agree with you, especially on the bolded parts.

    I think the reason why the R&B genre is suffering more than other genres lies in the quality of the music. I don't see as much a difference in the Country or Rock that is being done now compared to what it was done in previous decades as I see it in the R&B. Maybe it's because I don't usually listen to Country or Rock, but it seems to me that Country is more or less the same as it was some years ago, and I can still find some good Rock songs nowadays. I'm not so sure about Pop. But with R&B this definitely doesn't happen. The quality of R&B has decreased dramatically over the last decade. It's like the genre has died and another second-rate genre has taken its place. Back in the day black music was awesome, Hip Hop had meaning and R&B was full of great beats and melodies. The sound was mature, soulful, sexy and classy. It was difficult to find a bad R&B artist, the genre was packed with great voices and great albums. Now if I want to listen to good R&B I have to go back to my 90's collection.

    As for Rob, he's making music in an uninspired scenario. Surrounded by lack of talent. He's been in the game for two decades. It's understandable that he needs fuel for his creative juices and the state of today's R&B obviously doesn't help. And the worst thing is, he's paying attention to the garbage we hear nowadays. He's trying to sound like everyone else, as if that was a good thing. I just hope it's the politics in the industry that's talking instead of his own decisions. I just can't believe he likes today's R&B.

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    the one and only song he should have kept to himself is "I look to you", which has been previously mentioned. don't get me wrong--i'm NOT hatin on whitney, but the song is just so tailored to Kells.

    Some may say that "you are not alone" should also have been kept by Kells, but Michael just made it his own, so that's the bottom line.
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