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R. Kelly's music evolution

This is a discussion on R. Kelly's music evolution within the R. Kelly Music Chat forums, part of the R. Kelly Discussion category; Hidden Content Originally Posted by Mixmaster Hidden Content There's a difference between writing "real" lyrics and writing "good" lyrics . ...

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by Mixmaster Hidden Content
    There's a difference between writing "real" lyrics and writing "good" lyrics. We were referring to the quality and you can't take street language as a synonym for quality, that's a fact.

    Real lyrics are Good... When you keep it real the good comes right along with the package.

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    I think we can be overly harsh regarding his recent stuff. While I don't think he's had a decent album since Happy People; Wonderful, Hotel, Flirt, Thats That, In Love With a Stripper etc are really cool club ready singles.

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    @ braidedgirl

    What I don't like about your "real lyrics" statement is that if these new crazy lyrics that we are talking about in this discussion are real and thus, according to your maths, good, it means in the past R. Kelly was not real and not good, because he did not write lyrics like that.
    I'm sure you can follow my logic.

    Do you think his 90's albums were good? I mean, they did not have lyrics as weird as his latest songs, so were those albums not real? Were they not good? Or do you think the crazier the lyrics, the realer and better the song?

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    My opinion: If I would just READ the lyrics of the double up album, I would say they are extremely corny (with some exceptions). I read the lyrics for sweet tooth before I actually heard the song and I asked myself "how the hell is this gonna sound good?", but then I listened to the song and I liked it. Let's face it: R.Kelly did NOT create no lyrical masterpieces on double up, he's created MUSICAL masterpieces. And in the end, isn't that what counts? Let's take "The Zoo" as an example. The lyrics are average, the metahors aren't that great ("makin love like 2 wild animals"), but the way he put together the lyrics, the beat and his voice has blown me away.

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    He makes things work somehow and someway and I truly appreciate that aspect of his music. The way he made "The Zoo" work really impressed me. I like the beginning of the song where the beat is established. haha I'm listening to the "uuuhhh it taste like Skittles" part on Sweet Tooth now, it's so funny.

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    Originally posted by braidedgirl
    Real lyrics are Good...
    mh, we definatly have a different opinion here. If this would be true and street language would really be seen as the way language, poetry or music should be we would have to worry about our society. Ask yourself what makes music artful. I don't think writing a text that sounds like everybody could have wrote it, because it's street language, can't be seen as a great artful achievement. So in my opinion the latest R. Kelly lyrics maybe real but not good.

    Originally posted by Babydoll
    the whole 'push' part on havin a baby is unnecessary and i think it kinda spoils the song, everyone knows wat giving birth involves, i dont think that needed to be on the song.
    yep, that part scared me somehow.
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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by darnellswan Hidden Content
    I actually like the part on havin a baby when he says "push." Im not tryin to make anybody mad, just statin my opinion. Yeah everybody knows what givin birth is, but I just like how he sings and says "Im right here, hold my hand", etc. All guys should be there when there womans givin birth. thats just what I think about that part and the picture hes tryin to put in our heads.......Just My Opinion!!!!
    Lawd.....I tell you that man just made being in the delivery room sexy as hell and something that no man should miss.

    Hidden Content Originally Posted by Babydoll Hidden Content
    these arent the greatest lyrics he's written demonstrated on this album. the whole 'push' part on havin a baby is unnecessary and i think it kinda spoils the song, everyone knows wat giving birth involves, i dont think that needed to be on the song.
    Man I loved that part at the end of the song.....it just made the union of having a baby and the new creation of life so beautiful.
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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by R. Kelly Hidden Content
    Well, musically and vocally he is still brillant, if not as regularly as he used to be. Vocally he's switched from his raw deep voice from back in the days to a new bright voice which is great too, but I would love to hear him get real low every now and then.
    However, lyrically, I strongly disagree. Lyrically, he has not improved. Actually, nowadays I very often catch myself thinking how stupid his lyrics are. Just because you can compare sex to pretty much everything on this planet, it don't mean you've got to do it. I am tired of sex between vegetables, sex in ... I mean, on ur anus, sex like a kangaroo, sex like weed, middles tasting like Skittles, sticking ignition keys, marrying asses and sticking heads in them. Those are by far NOT great lyrics. Please don't tell me that.
    Yes, he has great lyrics in great songs, but often he's going over the top with it. And I cannot and will not disagree with critics and reviewers who pick those lyrics and use them as an example of how corny Rob is. The problem with those critics, however, is that they often forget to mention his true genius, his musical masterpieces.

    A song such as "You" from Loveland is a great song about sex. Why? It is classy. Hell, there isn't even any mention of the word sex in it, there's barely any explicity or corny-ass "metaphors", which by the way is an excessively used big word on this board.

    It's like pictures of beautiful women. You may jack off to an all-nude pic of some pornstar, but when it comes to art, a photograph is a thousand times better and more skillful if you can't see everything. Some panties, a seductive bra ... no nipples, no "middle". That's it.
    And Rob's "metaphors", be it tomatoes, Tarzan, tigers, bubble-gum or whatever it is he's comparing sex to, are like a beautiful woman dressed in a clown's costume. I can't take those lyrics serious.
    Often the music makes up for the lyrics, like with The Zoo which I strongly disliked whenever he was performing it live, but with the music to accompany it and some soulful bridge it is actually a really really good song. Still, the lyrics are nothing to be proud of.

    Well, these are just my two cents.

    Co-Sign on the majority of it. especialli the bold

    I think that he just cheapens himself by doing all of these songs that just make him sound like another Ne-Yo, Lloyd or one of the others...

    Vocally, i think somethings wrong Hidden Content ...i havent heard a song since Happy People/ U Saved Me that really impressed me vocally. And on 'Having A Baby' he sounds sort of hoarse and forced Hidden Content . most of the songs on Double Up sound like anything that a Ne-Yo could do - except maybe 'Same Girl' and 'Bestfriend'. and i dont think its because hes doing hiphop kindof music 'cause beyonce and usher had hip hop style of music on their albums and they still showed their vocals.

    Songs like 'Naked' and 'You' need to show up more. on born in the 90's which had some hip-hop styled songs he still showed that he could sing.

    BTW, i dont see anything wrong with the push in 'Having A Baby' is that bad

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    Just my quarter on this thread:

    R.kelly will never make a Bad Album because He is too Skilled as a songwriter, Producer and understanding of versatility and Balance. now having said that, I like the slow cuts on here,but the only colab that moved me was the "Double Up" with Snoop. the rest of the colabs felt contrived IMO. Best Friend was cute,but give me "contagious" any day over that in terms of the full fledge drama and intensity.

    Real Talk is my shit and that to me is real strong use of Street and story telling. Milton take me Home is the catch phrase. I mean Kellz showed in that cut what us Older fans know what he is capable of doing. it's not contrived at all. this is on the "When a Woman's fed Up" jump that is what has always seperated Kellz from others. though Real Talk wouldn't be out of place in the trapped in the closet Saga, it is tight.

    obviously for me I wants a All Reggae Kellz Set. Freaky in the club and all those Joints are Soulful and show a Artist who is moving into a whole other area.

    One of the Many things that I have always dug about RK is His Humor and he makes it work like so few have ever been able to do before or since. He cracks me up and does it in a soulful way and that is where the Hood comes into play when he drops a line like a dizzy head and two chicks with Dizzy Legs. the humor and the way he drops it in places is what seperates him from others.

    what makes his thing workis the irony and how he builds on a theme and the groove or beat and the way be builds on his vocals and what he is going through. he makes it work. depending on where you are from or what you been through there are things he says where if you can relate to it then you are like that is SHO Nuff the truth,but it all depends on your surroundings. but "Happy People" was my last Fav Album,but he still keeps some cuts that i can bump to.

    when he adds more strings and he is bringing back the female Background vocals which are cool again and take it back. the Key for RK is when can make a track make you feel soulful and good because the Brother is soulful as a MF and when he does anything less it feels cold and Contrived. i think Older heads just know how they felt when they heard cuts like Bump and Grind, downLow,when a woman's ffed up,a woman's threat, I don't mean it,Touched a dream,Forever, and now Real Talk. you know those soulful Cuts where you use your rent Money on a Kellz Album,etc... because it hit home period. you know the cuts. hard to say his direction because over the past few years he has thrown together albums that feel like 4 albums in one. you got the slow Jams, Mid-tempo, Club Tracks and the MV project cuts,but that can make a album feel like a Scramble Egg.

    My final Answer: as a Producer, Songwriter He has evolved. He is far more Musically challenging the Older He gets. I mean Loveland, chocolate factory and Happy People showcase all of that IMO.

    Vocally I gotta say the 90's a Bit more except for the 3 albums mentioned above and TP3. he still has a strong moment here and ther but he is doing a bit more in the Singing/Rapping vein which depending on the song might work or might not.

    Concepts he is more expansive than he has ever been. he sticks to his theme regardless of where you come down with it.

    if there wasn't so much Corperate Politics then I'd like to see all of this would play out.imagine getting TP3 minus any MV Songs and the same with Double Up and then imagine MV all to itself. get all of that then we could truly see what Progressing we have.right now if you ask me we have a Musical Genius who seems disgruntled with his Label and can't Properly do what he truly wants to do at this stage of his career. remember he knows how to make a Record and he knows about the technical and the basics,but it's been a while since we haven't had a straight to finish concept Project that truly showcased just where RK was.

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by R. Kelly Hidden Content
    @ braidedgirl

    What I don't like about your "real lyrics" statement is that if these new crazy lyrics that we are talking about in this discussion are real and thus, according to your maths, good, it means in the past R. Kelly was not real and not good, because he did not write lyrics like that.
    I'm sure you can follow my logic.

    Do you think his 90's albums were good? I mean, they did not have lyrics as weird as his latest songs, so were those albums not real? Were they not good? Or do you think the crazier the lyrics, the realer and better the song?

    No I don't follow your logic??? I'm an R Kelly fan and have been since he started. I'm still a fan today, so I must've thought that his lyrics back in the day were good too.

    Your comments are a matter of opinion and you are entitled to that. I don't have to agree, because I don't. R Kelly's music has changed because most people in society have changed. I understand you don't pay close attention to the language and lyrics on the street, I do. I know most people on this board are not from the hood and they perceive R Kelly in their on little way based on where they are from.

    See I can take most of R Kelly's songs and I can tell you what inspired him to write that song. I know where most of his music comes from. I know a lot of you don't

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