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Is Kellz as influential as MJ in the music industry?

This is a discussion on Is Kellz as influential as MJ in the music industry? within the R. Kelly Music Chat forums, part of the R. Kelly Discussion category; Hidden Content Originally Posted by clubhack Hidden Content I agree with what maxxx said, and on a global scale mj ...

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by clubhack Hidden Content
    I agree with what maxxx said, and on a global scale mj is the standard musically and entertainment wise...however I will try my best to play devils advocate , tough cuz mj and kellz are imo the best..kellz is currently the industry living inigma, people are not sure what too make of him. To the average music listener people he is good, but the hits are not on pop radio, so in their mind he is not as relevant. To a music follower he is the most relevant act out there, the amount of music he pumps outat a high level is incredible, he keeps other artists credible, while making himself and the rnb game much more credible. When he wants too he can put the industry as a whole on his back and take it too incredible heights: in2003-04 he had 27 songs that he wrote and produced for himself and others that registered onthe hot 100, that is something mj never did. I alsothink a difference was when both icons hit there scandals, mj remained quiet, while kellz sold millions with massive critical and commercial acclaim. I think the standard kellz has set for himself by music lovers and by other artists is so high that when kellz releases a subpar album to his standards others bash his work thinking they can gain an edge even if kellz music is still superior . Perfect example is untitled, critics and artists were not so favorable, trying to make it seem he fell off, when still his worst is others best, yet when love letter came out people couldn't say a think cuz he was untouchable...my point being is he sets the standard for himself and music,rnn in general. I think if the mv project were released he would have reached global status un seen by artists today. The fact that we are having this discussion is a testament to both icons...i hope that made sense, had alot of toights going through my mind
    Exactly! Since Love Letter been out, ppl stopped shading him...Rob knows exactly what he's doing...I think Rob is very influential in the R&B world but u have some ppl who view MJ God like....

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by clubhack Hidden Content
    I agree with what maxxx said, and on a global scale mj is the standard musically and entertainment wise...however I will try my best to play devils advocate , tough cuz mj and kellz are imo the best..kellz is currently the industry living inigma, people are not sure what too make of him. To the average music listener people he is good, but the hits are not on pop radio, so in their mind he is not as relevant. To a music follower he is the most relevant act out there, the amount of music he pumps outat a high level is incredible, he keeps other artists credible, while making himself and the rnb game much more credible. When he wants too he can put the industry as a whole on his back and take it too incredible heights: in2003-04 he had 27 songs that he wrote and produced for himself and others that registered onthe hot 100, that is something mj never did. I alsothink a difference was when both icons hit there scandals, mj remained quiet, while kellz sold millions with massive critical and commercial acclaim. I think the standard kellz has set for himself by music lovers and by other artists is so high that when kellz releases a subpar album to his standards others bash his work thinking they can gain an edge even if kellz music is still superior . Perfect example is untitled, critics and artists were not so favorable, trying to make it seem he fell off, when still his worst is others best, yet when love letter came out people couldn't say a think cuz he was untouchable...my point being is he sets the standard for himself and music,rnn in general. I think if the mv project were released he would have reached global status un seen by artists today. The fact that we are having this discussion is a testament to both icons...i hope that made sense, had alot of toights going through my mind
    wow made perfect sense. couldntve said it betta myself.

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by clubhack Hidden Content
    I agree with what maxxx said, and on a global scale mj is the standard musically and entertainment wise...however I will try my best to play devils advocate , tough cuz mj and kellz are imo the best..kellz is currently the industry living inigma, people are not sure what too make of him. To the average music listener people he is good, but the hits are not on pop radio, so in their mind he is not as relevant. To a music follower he is the most relevant act out there, the amount of music he pumps outat a high level is incredible, he keeps other artists credible, while making himself and the rnb game much more credible. When he wants too he can put the industry as a whole on his back and take it too incredible heights: in2003-04 he had 27 songs that he wrote and produced for himself and others that registered onthe hot 100, that is something mj never did. I alsothink a difference was when both icons hit there scandals, mj remained quiet, while kellz sold millions with massive critical and commercial acclaim. I think the standard kellz has set for himself by music lovers and by other artists is so high that when kellz releases a subpar album to his standards others bash his work thinking they can gain an edge even if kellz music is still superior . Perfect example is untitled, critics and artists were not so favorable, trying to make it seem he fell off, when still his worst is others best, yet when love letter came out people couldn't say a think cuz he was untouchable...my point being is he sets the standard for himself and music,rnn in general. I think if the mv project were released he would have reached global status un seen by artists today. The fact that we are having this discussion is a testament to both icons...i hope that made sense, had alot of toights going through my mind
    MJ never had as many charted songs in one year, however in the time period when mJ was dominating it was rare for a Black Artist to run things like that.

    that is the main reason why MJ is the king of it all because no other Black Artist had ever gone where he had gone before.

    when Off the wall hit the powers that be said the album was too Black and they shut him out of the Grammys. he got dissed with a album with 4 top ten hits which was rare at that time.

    He in part made thriller out of frustration because he wanted to make a statement and he felt he was targeted unfairly as a Black Man and as a Artist.

    the reality is that what thriller did, opened up doors in ways that hadn't been there before.

    he had a album have 7 songs out of 9 chart, not to mention a duet huge hit with paul mccartney for Say,Say Say and then he did the hook for rockwell's somebody's watching me.

    but from a social stand point that was a huge thing for a black artist doing what he did.

    it wasn't that long ago believe that.

    take R.Kelly,Mariah Carey,Mary J Bliege, having 20 year careers and in a few Usher is there, ain't but a handful of black acts been able to count years and years later.

    R.kelly is in that rarefied air with Michael Jackson in that he has been able to keep folks into his thing for a really long time and the audience has allowed him to grow and not be stuck in a time warp.

    when R.Kelly goes out and performs "when a woman loves" after doing step in the Name of Love and Bump and Grind that is a career baton being passed from one era to the next.

    MJ had it like that. ain't alot of acts have that kind of juice.

    but what MJ meant to R&B in a time when White magazines, MTV,etc.. was segregated R&B from Pop radio spoke volumes.

    MJ paid the ultimate price for the cross over dream.

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    yeah MJ has got that , no one can take that from him at his point. every R&B artist out in the last 10 years or more have been Kellz influenced. but theres an artist from every genre of music all over the world that s been MJ influenced . Thats just MJ's crown. Like was commented earlier MJ is a mountain.

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    ^^^great comments guys...

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    The answer is no, but I see Kelly 's legacy more in the vain of Marvin Gaye. When he's gone then people will start giving his due respect and it will probably flourish after he's dead. I can easily see old album being sold or documentaries done on him, Heck, I think the book and this rumoured documentary about him as an artist is just the beginning.

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    It depends how you see it.

    Michael Jackson's impact as a worldwide icon is untouchable. He's recognized around the world and within the music industry he's considered the standard for success.

    R. Kelly isn't big in the Pop world so he doesn't have that advantage. But he did single handily revolutionize R&B. He's both a successful artist and sought out writer and producer for other big name artists. His impact is downplayed because he's a black artist that pushes black music. I hate to bring up the race card but that's the way it its. Unlike MJ, he never tried to cater to a white audience. He always rebelled and did his own thing by taking chances with his art. What other artist can sing "Let me stick my key in your ignition" and make it popular? No one. That's the power of R. Kelly he can croon absurd shit and have everyone loving it. That's what he has over other artist. He also influenced the new flock of R&B artists out now. Just turn on your radio and you will hear R&B singers trying to duplicate his style. R. Kelly also influenced many indie Rock acts and even Gospel singers.

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    In my opinion, to the rest of the world, on a scale of 1-10 MJ is a 9.99 (.99 was added when he died) while R. Kelly is a 6.5. For every three MJ songs people know they know at least one R. Kelly song. So Kellz might not be highly rated as MJ but he is holding his own down well enough.

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    2cents R. Kelly's Influence...

    This is a great thread! R. Kelly has been a huge influence, not just on R&B, but on Reggae Music and Latin music. R. Kelly's song "Bump Bump" featuring Elephant Man from Jamaica, led to a huge invasion of Kelly sounding music in Reggae. Also, the use of the guitar riff in the song "Fiesta" not only led to a re-look at latin music in R&B, but opened the gate for younger producers to 'think outside the box.'

    Also, Kelly is working with 8 great artists from Africa and has called the project One 8 and though some would say that's more Africa's influence on Kelly, I would say it's also his influence on them as they would never allow him to shape their music if that respect wasn't there!

    As Michael Jackson has inspired generations to become great entertainers, I think Kells has inspired generations to go far and wide musically ... singing and producing.


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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by halfonababyy09 Hidden Content
    It depends how you see it.

    Michael Jackson's impact as a worldwide icon is untouchable. He's recognized around the world and within the music industry he's considered the standard for success.

    R. Kelly isn't big in the Pop world so he doesn't have that advantage. But he did single handily revolutionize R&B. He's both a successful artist and sought out writer and producer for other big name artists. His impact is downplayed because he's a black artist that pushes black music. I hate to bring up the race card but that's the way it its. Unlike MJ, he never tried to cater to a white audience. He always rebelled and did his own thing by taking chances with his art. What other artist can sing "Let me stick my key in your ignition" and make it popular? No one. That's the power of R. Kelly he can croon absurd shit and have everyone loving it. That's what he has over other artist. He also influenced the new flock of R&B artists out now. Just turn on your radio and you will hear R&B singers trying to duplicate his style. R. Kelly also influenced many indie Rock acts and even Gospel singers.
    Michael Jackson paved that door on the other side because he was told that off the wall was too Black, in truth he didn't cater because his record company Sony back in the day told mTV that there racist behind had to acknowledge that MJ had a great record in thriller or they weren't going to do business with them.

    MJ was the Jackie Robinson of Music and that doesn't take nothing away from James Brown, Paul ROberson, Jackie Wilson,Sammy Davis Jr,etc.. however it took a MJ to Break barriers and when I say barriers I'm talking from within because while White Racism and power dictates and controls so much, it is also Black rejection to thinking wider and beyond that it took a MJ to say we can do this as well.

    Black Radio stayed true to MJ, however Black Radio wanted a commerical record and it had to hit or they would turn on him as well.

    Michael Jackson took a huge Gamble by working with Quincy Jones back in the day, because back then not only was MJ just a few years removed from being a Teen age act, but also in the mid to late 70's the jackson five were doing Vegas at a time when doing vegas was the last place you wanted to be caught doing.

    MJ had a twisted career because in 74 vegas was seen as a has been,hit less dive and fast forward to 1984 and MJ was the biggest artist on the planet which took alot of hard work and chances.

    nobody at Sony was feeling MJ bringing in Quincy Jones. Q was seen as a Jazz Producer,etc.. and MJ got laughed at. then when he said that thriller was going to sell a whole lot o records the record company laughed at him and he was told that no Black artist was going to do this or that.

    bottom line anything that R.Kelly had to deal with at Jive, Michael jackson had to deal with 3 times as bad and remember MJ and His Brothers got pimped at Motown which is a whole different story.

    FYI John Mcclain who runs MJ's Estate was instrumental in Helping R.Kelly out when the scandal hit 9 years back, Mcclain kept his phone ringing. MJ and R.Kelly shared a few things in common and it worked.

    Michael Jackson and His Brothers lost there Group Name before they were 21 on a Black Owned Label OK.

    in truth I learned about this Business from following Michael Jackson's career because when you talk about Publishing, Masters, touring,marketing,etc.. behind the scenes,etc.. he was the best teacher of the do's and don't's.

    FYI in case you ain't heard Barry Weis just took over Def Jam from LA Reid, you see how quickly he got a top flight job.

    R.Kelly is the Most Dominant R&B Artist since Michael Jackson and like Claude Kelly said he is the Most Complex and interesting R&B Artist since MJ as well IMO.

    i dig them both and feel they are both Genius and both ran there time period, in different ways, R.Kelly is R&B Based and he has been type cast, and in truth He wants more, however the record company hasn't promoted him beyond a certain point.

    but RKelly ain't no Ghetto superstar because anthems like Bump and Grind, you are not alone, I wish, the worlds greatest, I believe I can fly, step in the name of Love, Ignitation, and some others are known world wide.

    not to mention he had a Number 1 hit with Celine Dion "I'm your angel" a Black based tribute song for Lady Diana,

    the Pope wanted a song from R.Kelly at one time so he is known world wide, however he hasn't gotten that project to show it all off and I truly believe the MV Project was going to be that one to establish his base beyond.

    that is one of the reasons why on tp3,double up and untitled had him colaborating with others he allowed that out of frustration because he is tired of being told he has limits

    Barry Weis spoke on what R.Kelly wants to do and what the label wants and they want him doing club and standard R&B.

    Michael Jackson made a versatile album like thriller to say as a Black Artist i can have a African theme chant in wanna be startin somethin, I can do adult comtempt for the girl is mine

    get funky on Billie Jean

    rock on Beat it

    smooth out on Human Nature and the lady in my life

    that album was needed because racially speaking it was said back then.

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