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Is Kellz as influential as MJ in the music industry?

This is a discussion on Is Kellz as influential as MJ in the music industry? within the R. Kelly Music Chat forums, part of the R. Kelly Discussion category; Hidden Content Originally Posted by LovelyLP Hidden Content Has R. kelly been a huge influence on the Music industry like ...

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by LovelyLP Hidden Content
    Has R. kelly been a huge influence on the Music industry like MJ is?
    I think his influence has been bigger. Rob has written more and worked with more artists, old and new. MJ is a bigger icon, better dancer/entertainer with more fans and sales, but I think Rob's writing and producing for others besides himself has been more influential on the overall industry.

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    nope, and I'm a huge R.Kelly fan, but naw not even close and i wish it were, but when you say MJ, you talking about a Man who touched a whole world all places,etc..

    MJ made classic songs before he was a Adult and could have retired before he was 21 and been a Hall of famer and lasting impact,etc..

    Off the wall,thriller,Bad alone says that nobody is reaching that level.

    R.kelly will tell you personally that especially in R&B what MJ meant and did.

    He knocked doors down and paved ways.

    R.kelly is Influential, but MJ Level is a whole different story which in my lifetime ain't nobody else seeing.

    the only person that comes close to what MJ did IMO is Stevie wonder.

    MJ did the all around thing and before it became the King of Pop, MJ's thing was R&B.

    what alot of folks don't know is that from 69-thriller MJ was Black Based and Pop radio though they eventually gave way to him, wasn't opening the door fully to him.

    MJ had so many signatures as a Artist it ain't even funny.

    there are acts with better songwriting,production, instrumentation and vocal skills than MJ

    however not many though were able to balance so many things and do there thing on a high level quite like him.

    everybody in R&B/Pop that came after MJ is eating off his plate. MJ was the Jackie Robinson of R&B to Pop.

    He did it all and changed the course of Music twice,so no it ain't even close.

    naw Personally I listen to more R.Kelly especially in my adult years,etc.. but being real on industry influence MJ is a Moutain all his own.

    forget the larger than life videos

    the larger than life tours

    the hype

    the imagery

    the dances,clothes and outfits,etc..

    those songs and that Brother's raw Genius is what got peopled hooked on Michael Jackson.

    now R.Kelly I'd say when it is all said and done will be a Top Tier Influential R&B Artist, though still behind Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder,Marvin Gaye and James Brown. R.Kelly is there with Sam Cooke IMO and Cooke had a huge impact which hasn't ever gotten his full due IMO. you got Ray Charles, Sly Stone and Aretha Franklin in that Argument as well.


    but naw MJ and influence speaks for itself.

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by smile4me Hidden Content
    no question! alot of artist have shy'd away from saying Kelly has been their major influence for whateva reason. Usher (with his video mocking the Down Low video) & Trey (even said it out his own mouth he started to sing cuz all his mom listened to was Kelly) being two of many.
    the list goes on...Joe Thomas, Donell Jones, Missy Elliot, Robin Thicke, ...but u won't easily get the truth out of them....Missy admitted once...Donell u can hear in his sound, Guilt for loving you song is so Kells... Joe Thomas...do i need to explain...

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by Mr.Showbiz Hidden Content
    the list goes on...Joe Thomas, Donell Jones, Missy Elliot, Robin Thicke, ...but u won't easily get the truth out of them....Missy admitted once...Donell u can hear in his sound, Guilt for loving you song is so Kells... Joe Thomas...do i need to explain...

    Missy Elliot??? Really??? yea I can c Robin Thicke and Donell Jones...and u knw Joe isnt gonna admit it...lol

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by K. Johnson Hidden Content
    The ones who don't admit it are either pussies or in self-denial, or both.
    HaHa!! sad but true. R Kelly is major influence in R&B, hip-hop AND pop. Dudes just afraid to admit it...reasons could be the scandals...but I feel there is some insecurity issues there also, cause Kells is still doing it EVERY year...he has new music out ALL the time.

    A lot of artists maybe felt like MJ was in a different lane, his own lane. Kells is hogging the lanes they're tryna roll on...lol...i dont know...

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by BossPlayya Hidden Content
    HaHa!! sad but true. R Kelly is major influence in R&B, hip-hop AND pop. Dudes just afraid to admit it...reasons could be the scandals...but I feel there is some insecurity issues there also, cause Kells is still doing it EVERY year...he has new music out ALL the time.

    A lot of artists maybe felt like MJ was in a different lane, his own lane. Kells is hogging the lanes they're tryna roll on...lol...i dont know...
    Lmao! Yea a lot of his peers and other male artists seem to be threatned by him...its sad...nobody does this to Usher...lol

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    R.Kelly is influential and folks peep what he does.

    scandal and also his lyrics and his attitude over the years has made him a outcast if you will.

    i dig that, because he is just who he is.

    back to the question at hand and this is the truth right here

    ask yourself do you put Kobe Bryant with Michael Jordan or ahead of him?

    then put R.Kelly in Kobe Bryant's shoes and Michael Jackson and Michael Jordan as equals and standards in there Profession.

    R.Kelly has alot of Influence, however Michael Jackson had Donny Osmond-Chris Brown trying to do his thing we are talking a 40 year run of influence and those are some huge shoes to follow.

    I want R.Kelly to get that respect because World Cup,anthems like I believe I can fly, the worlds greatest, step in the name of love, happy people, a soliders heart, anthems that speak to a wide audience,etc.. have to lend themselves to that.

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    I agree with what maxxx said, and on a global scale mj is the standard musically and entertainment wise...however I will try my best to play devils advocate , tough cuz mj and kellz are imo the best..kellz is currently the industry living inigma, people are not sure what too make of him. To the average music listener people he is good, but the hits are not on pop radio, so in their mind he is not as relevant. To a music follower he is the most relevant act out there, the amount of music he pumps outat a high level is incredible, he keeps other artists credible, while making himself and the rnb game much more credible. When he wants too he can put the industry as a whole on his back and take it too incredible heights: in2003-04 he had 27 songs that he wrote and produced for himself and others that registered onthe hot 100, that is something mj never did. I alsothink a difference was when both icons hit there scandals, mj remained quiet, while kellz sold millions with massive critical and commercial acclaim. I think the standard kellz has set for himself by music lovers and by other artists is so high that when kellz releases a subpar album to his standards others bash his work thinking they can gain an edge even if kellz music is still superior . Perfect example is untitled, critics and artists were not so favorable, trying to make it seem he fell off, when still his worst is others best, yet when love letter came out people couldn't say a think cuz he was untouchable...my point being is he sets the standard for himself and music,rnn in general. I think if the mv project were released he would have reached global status un seen by artists today. The fact that we are having this discussion is a testament to both icons...i hope that made sense, had alot of toights going through my mind

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by clubhack Hidden Content
    I agree with what maxxx said, and on a global scale mj is the standard musically and entertainment wise...however I will try my best to play devils advocate , tough cuz mj and kellz are imo the best..kellz is currently the industry living inigma, people are not sure what too make of him. To the average music listener people he is good, but the hits are not on pop radio, so in their mind he is not as relevant. To a music follower he is the most relevant act out there, the amount of music he pumps outat a high level is incredible, he keeps other artists credible, while making himself and the rnb game much more credible. When he wants too he can put the industry as a whole on his back and take it too incredible heights: in2003-04 he had 27 songs that he wrote and produced for himself and others that registered onthe hot 100, that is something mj never did. I alsothink a difference was when both icons hit there scandals, mj remained quiet, while kellz sold millions with massive critical and commercial acclaim. I think the standard kellz has set for himself by music lovers and by other artists is so high that when kellz releases a subpar album to his standards others bash his work thinking they can gain an edge even if kellz music is still superior . Perfect example is untitled, critics and artists were not so favorable, trying to make it seem he fell off, when still his worst is others best, yet when love letter came out people couldn't say a think cuz he was untouchable...my point being is he sets the standard for himself and music,rnn in general. I think if the mv project were released he would have reached global status un seen by artists today. The fact that we are having this discussion is a testament to both icons...i hope that made sense, had alot of toights going through my mind
    the MV set would really make for a interesting debate and contrast.

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by LovelyLP Hidden Content
    Missy Elliot??? Really??? yea I can c Robin Thicke and Donell Jones...and u knw Joe isnt gonna admit it...lol

    there is a teack where she mentiones that she is working hard but this nigga Kellz be killem them hard... it was round about that time when thats's what I am talking about came out...

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