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R. Kelly Announces New Album "Buffet"; plays new song "Planet" on V103

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    he has to go indy unless he wants to start doing an oldies type of thing with pretty much greatest hits shows.

    oh the base is there
    and folks who buy the records are there,however his peers are older and not exactly burning up the charts
    and we always talk about the industry
    and how they treat veteren Black acts.

    i wanna see how Janet Jackson does because she been out of the mix for almost a decade. gonna be interesting how her record does.

    i look and expect anywhere from gold to right at a million, however the industry is hard to pinpoint.

    ask yourself when was the last time Usher had a big time smash?

    so we shall see. however Kellz is pretty much gonna do what he is gonna do and at this stage is about putting out albums.

    the 90's and 00's are long gone now with how the game is now.

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by mistermaxxx Hidden Content
    i wanna see how Janet Jackson does because she been out of the mix for almost a decade. gonna be interesting how her record does.
    I really like Unbreakable. Very 90's R&B. I'm personally not a big fan of No Sleeep. Excited for the album regardless. It's good she's working so much with Jam and Lewis. The three of them crafted some perfect albums in the 80s and 90s and I have confidence they're going to put out something special this time too.

    As for R. Kelly going independent, it's a natural progression for him at this point. We've heard what he sounds like under a label for a long time, it'll be interesting what he comes up with when there aren't any restrictions. I feel like he'll be releasing albums more regularly.

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    Exactly Max. I would go one step further and say he's on the natural progression of a legacy artist. Usually, they have a 15-20 year run of hits, after that there's another 5-10 year period (which he's in now) where the hits are hit and miss then the final stage is a true lagacy artist where they put out vanity projects and the sort. I think the indy route will only push him to that phase faster. I think that's why you here speaking about a blues, house and country albums.

    Hidden Content Originally Posted by mistermaxxx Hidden Content
    he has to go indy unless he wants to start doing an oldies type of thing with pretty much greatest hits shows.

    oh the base is there
    and folks who buy the records are there,however his peers are older and not exactly burning up the charts
    and we always talk about the industry
    and how they treat veteren Black acts.

    i wanna see how Janet Jackson does because she been out of the mix for almost a decade. gonna be interesting how her record does.

    i look and expect anywhere from gold to right at a million, however the industry is hard to pinpoint.

    ask yourself when was the last time Usher had a big time smash?

    so we shall see. however Kellz is pretty much gonna do what he is gonna do and at this stage is about putting out albums.

    the 90's and 00's are long gone now with how the game is now.

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by R Dot Hidden Content
    Exactly Max. I would go one step further and say he's on the natural progression of a legacy artist. Usually, they have a 15-20 year run of hits, after that there's another 5-10 year period (which he's in now) where the hits are hit and miss then the final stage is a true lagacy artist where they put out vanity projects and the sort. I think the indy route will only push him to that phase faster. I think that's why you here speaking about a blues, house and country albums.
    thank you because he is only to break off small change when it comes to projects. he wants to do full projects however the label got a budget and that means we want a sure fire hit period. its been a minute since he has a had a sure fire hit.

    so go indy and put out a country album,blues, jazz and a musical virus worldwide thing without given up crums. thats what he has been largly doing with some of the abums over the past decade.because post happy people u saved me, the albums been copy and paste. we shall see.

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    Can't wait for him to go indie. It's not gonna be all smooth sailing, esp. in the beginning, but it's not like anything more is guaranteed if he feels stuck as part of the major label.

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    BIG video shoot last night. A load of extras helped stage a backyard party and Snoop Dogg and Chance the Rapper are in the video making cameos - which I think is brilliant. That's the way to go.

    There are pictures on Instagram, plus a short video showing the three of them dancing/shooting to 'Marching Band' as well, on the same set. Not sure what that means...?
    With a song called Backyard Party, people like Snoop just could do no wrong in the video Hidden Content Such a laid-back, fun-loving person both on and off screen (he really seems the type of guy in real life).

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by mistermaxxx Hidden Content
    he has to go indy unless he wants to start doing an oldies type of thing with pretty much greatest hits shows.

    oh the base is there
    and folks who buy the records are there,however his peers are older and not exactly burning up the charts
    and we always talk about the industry
    and how they treat veteren Black acts.

    i wanna see how Janet Jackson does because she been out of the mix for almost a decade. gonna be interesting how her record does.

    i look and expect anywhere from gold to right at a million, however the industry is hard to pinpoint.

    ask yourself when was the last time Usher had a big time smash?

    so we shall see. however Kellz is pretty much gonna do what he is gonna do and at this stage is about putting out albums.

    the 90's and 00's are long gone now with how the game is now.
    You make great points.

    At this point, Kellz needs to do collaborations to get hits. He should drop the rapping and get back to singing hooks. Just imagine if he did a hook on a Drake song? That would be his first hit in a very long time. I mean, "Do What U Want" (peaked at Hidden Content and did well on Pop radio) was on it's way to being a chart topper but too many things ruined it. "To The World" (debut at Hidden Content first week) with Kanye had a chance if it were made a single and sent to radio. He will be better off just doing what he wants musically and taking risks. The days of him going top 10 doing R&B songs are long gone. He can't compete with the likes of Chris Brown or Drake. So it's best he takes risks. Radio is very ageist. At this point, he will always rely on Urban AC for spins and his label knows it. That's why the made him release "Backyard Party" instead of "Marching Band."

    You're right about him not making any money off albums. He makes way more from touring. I think he is at that point as a touring act and that's why I wish he would put effort into his tour production and his live performances. It's so tacky how he just goes out there with a mic and DJ like he's some rapper. The transitions between songs are lackluster too. He needs to put in effort into his concerts because that is where his money and popularity is at nowadays. Get a live band, new transitions/mixes, etc.

    Janet Jackson is pretty much in the same boat with Kellz. I will say tho that Kellz has a more appeal with the young generation than she does but Janet will always have that last name so she can tour as long as she wants. But she fizzled out quickly. The older acts are touring artists nowadays. They're appealing because of their hits from the past. So Kellz should do better as far as his tour production. Adding remixes to songs in the setlist instead of doing the same snippets over and over. Even the talking parts. He needs to switch it up. There was a time he had a slump as far as his touring goes. The Black Panties tour with Tamar last year in small cities was a bad idea and waste of money. His camp booked bad venues and bad cities. The best thing Kellz did was take a break from touring and even releasing music. Now people are craving something from him. Even a remix. So many were saying how they wanted Kellz to remix new songs out these days.

    Kellz doesn't have to worry about promotion because he has his name. He can just release an album or tour date and people will go. So he should def. go the indie route now. Because really his hardcore fans are the ones who still want new music then he has those fans who are just fine with his old albums and if he never releases a new album again.

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    Also another thing, Kellz is making himself into that 'greatest hits' act with the setlists he does. If he had a smart team they would suggest that he did an entire show with certain album cuts and remixes, not his major hits. It's sooooo annoying seeing how ignores some of his greatest songs ever just to perform snippets of "Bump N' Grind" more than once or other songs or features he has done. Imagine if he decided to do the whole Happy People/U Saved Me albums or Love Letter/Write Me Back albums with a live band and took it on the road? That would be clever and be a great way to re-introduce himself to fans or even to new fans who just stan for his major hits.

    Too bad he's obsessed with the 'Old R. Kelly,' he even says in interviews how his fans want that "old R. Kelly" in concerts and how he compares his new albums to 12 Play. Sometimes I wonder if he's discouraged and feels like he has to be the 12 Play R. Kelly all the time. He is too talented to waste himself on old ways of approaching his music on stage. Plus his DJ sucks ass. No mixes. Just yelling and ad-libing everything Kellz says.

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    [QUOTE=Citizen K;171767]Also another thing, Kellz is making himself into that 'greatest hits' act with the setlists he does. If he had a smart team they would suggest that he did an entire show with certain album cuts and remixes, not his major hits. It's sooooo annoying seeing how ignores some of his greatest songs ever just to perform snippets of "Bump N' Grind" more than once or other songs or features he has done. Imagine if he decided to do the whole Happy People/U Saved Me albums or Love Letter/Write Me Back albums with a live band and took it on the road? That would be clever and be a great way to re-introduce himself to fans or even to new fans who just stan for his major hits.

    Too bad he's obsessed with the 'Old R. Kelly,' he even says in interviews how his fans want that "old R. Kelly" in concerts and how he compares his new albums to 12 Play. Sometimes I wonder if he's discouraged and feels like he has to be the 12 Play R. Kelly all the time. He is too talented to waste himself on old ways of approaching his music on stage. Plus his DJ sucks ass. No mixes. Just yelling and ad-libing everything Kellz says.[/QUOT you nailed it and i think some of it if not alot of it has to do with label politics because he feels limited.

    now the Sam cooke Show was off the hook
    and the kind of thing that is a great showcase of his skills. i think he would have done the whole musical virus like that if he could.

    however he is pissed from the fact they turn him down left and right. so instead we get albums with songs from 8 different projects.

    and yeah 12 play was huge, however it ain't like he didn't have oh 4 other huge selling records.etc..

    however he has to wear that 12 play badge around his neck for life.

    to me he has had to trade off with the majors
    and if you last long enough in the industry that trade off ain't no joke

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    I truly hope he goes Indie & stops w/the Benjamin Button/meat & potatoes act. definitely need to change up his concert transitions. so predictable. go to themed albums like a Love Letter (listen to this fantastic album, Urban Flora by Alina Baraz & Galimatias. the sonic arrangement & chorus makes for a VERY sensual themed album, alternative R&B/Electronica). All I could think of was Kelly doing this album. Or team up w/a Kirk Whalum type. Go back to writing & producing his projects solely.

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