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This is a discussion on Official BLACK PANTIES thread within the R. Kelly Music Chat forums, part of the R. Kelly Discussion category; Hidden Content Originally Posted by kc2135 Hidden Content Wonder why the bump in sells? What's total sells at now? It's ...

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by kc2135 Hidden Content
    Wonder why the bump in sells? What's total sells at now?
    It's probably a Valentine's Day bump. To Maxx's point, this is the biggest reason why he hasn't reached platinum in awhile. He hasn't found a way to make an album that can capture all his fan bases since Chocolate Factory. Until he does that we're going to get the sales result we see today. He needs an album that has a maturity to it that reaches the traditional R&b crowd, can capture the hip hop minded crowd and still be provocative enough to reach this new hipster crowd. That's what made CF so great, he was able to pull in all three groups. Since then he keeps slicing and dicing with a narrow focus. Don't get me wrong, I think at times he's done it brilliantly, but you need songs that can play consistently on r&b and pop radio. I'm sorry, these songs can't reach that audience. LL and WMB had great songs, but they weren't reaching a large audience because they sounded too retro. When's the last time he released a song that was a strong R&B song, but had pop sensibilities and still sounded contemporary. It's been forever since that happened.

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by kc2135 Hidden Content
    Wonder why the bump in sells? What's total sells at now?
    Valentine's Day and more people are just now finding out about the album. If he does 20k then the sales are up to 355k. The album will go Gold by April/May.

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    What's amazing is that without that huge mega hit he is still outselling all these other male r&b artists.

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    I sort of agree. LL appealed to all those but the follow up singles should've been different. WMB, the same way. I don't think WMB was too retro though a bit more ambitious than LL. I said it a hundred times, All Rounds On Me would've gotten that track to platinum status w/a great video. Taxi Cab for Love Letter would've done the same. he needs another of those projects w/the publicity of the BP album. had BP been more mature & sensual, I think it would've moved the way we hoped.

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by R Dot Hidden Content
    It's probably a Valentine's Day bump. To Maxx's point, this is the biggest reason why he hasn't reached platinum in awhile. He hasn't found a way to make an album that can capture all his fan bases since Chocolate Factory. Until he does that we're going to get the sales result we see today. He needs an album that has a maturity to it that reaches the traditional R&b crowd, can capture the hip hop minded crowd and still be provocative enough to reach this new hipster crowd. That's what made CF so great, he was able to pull in all three groups. Since then he keeps slicing and dicing with a narrow focus. Don't get me wrong, I think at times he's done it brilliantly, but you need songs that can play consistently on r&b and pop radio. I'm sorry, these songs can't reach that audience. LL and WMB had great songs, but they weren't reaching a large audience because they sounded too retro. When's the last time he released a song that was a strong R&B song, but had pop sensibilities and still sounded contemporary. It's been forever since that happened.

    "Ima Flirt" was probably the last track that went well in the pop market. But you know what, you cant compare the Chocolate Factory's album sales to now because that was released in 2003, when people were still buying CD's. You make a great point, I'm not taking anything away from your statement but I think that no matter which route he took with this CD he would have done only slightly better in sales but not a significiant amount, the industry is just different now. For him to sell as many albums from this project in this day & age is impressive, so it's hard to say what his album sales would be if it were different because honestly we dont know if that would be the case. I'm just greatful BP didnt flop

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by smiller2 Hidden Content
    "Ima Flirt" was probably the last track that went well in the pop market. But you know what, you cant compare the Chocolate Factory's album sales to now because that was released in 2003, when people were still buying CD's. You make a great point, I'm not taking anything away from your statement but I think that no matter which route he took with this CD he would have done only slightly better in sales but not a significiant amount, the industry is just different now. For him to sell as many albums from this project in this day & age is impressive, so it's hard to say what his album sales would be if it were different because honestly we dont know if that would be the case. I'm just greatful BP didnt flop
    True, i'm a Flirt was the last and Same Girl to a lesser extent and that's the last album to go Platinum. I don't expect CF type of sales, but if he wants to reach platinum status, he needs a big pop hit and how he's trending, I don't see it as possible.

    I agree, it's impressive that he may get 500K and probably LL will reach platinum status in the next year or two.

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    album sales are important however this ain't like a movie and the album only been out 2 months and he is pushing gold and that is huge for a Black Artist who is two plus decades deep in his career 1)

    scandal and he did face backlash and lets be real were it not for certain court of opinions and things put out here, then the man would be given a higher matter world wide 2)

    in the coming years he will see a bump on all of his albums period because you can't dominate and be that effective for as long as he has been and not pick up fans, etc,.. 3)

    double up had 2 commerical singles, play on video outlets and he had more tie ins. as much as the industry as it is the people, however Industry ain't pushing Black acts after a certain age and that is real talk. 4)

    Tina Turner at age 45 hit with her album Private dancer and Marvin Gaye hit at 43 with "Midnight Love" and other acts did as well back in the day, when was the last time you saw a over 40 black artist getting mainstream shine?

    and wait until Beyonce gets 35 see what happens? Usher gotta play the euro game to stay on pop radio or be turned way down and this is a cat whom no matter where you stand on him is the last Black Artist to go Diamond. however he gotta play ball. 5

    R.Kelly wins with touring, doing projects with other acts and still putting out projects. i look around and you still got Mary J Bliege and Mariah Carey and who else from Kells peer group?

    the fact he still going gold and maybe platinum and still got something people want is great, however he also is playing ball as well.

    do you really expect Kellz to drop a country album anytime soon before he is 50? and what he wants to do and what they want is two different wars.

    dollars and commerce.

    lets be real if Beyonce didn't drop her album Kellz is even more higher on them numbers and while i can't blame her for dropping her project, it did steal some of his thunder. however they are in two different lanes and demos with fan base.

    i think kellz took a risk with that album title and subject matter alone and he showed he wasn't tripping on album sales per se.

    now he ain't ever gonna make another 12 play, been there and down that and that was a whole different time and I ain't talking about sales and buying habbits, folks back then took time to digest a artist and follow what they were doing, etc..

    you can still sell today, however you gotta have that pull and push period and those songs. Kellz ain't quite had that balance and he also got baggage which is used political against him as well.

    thing is though Chris Brown is all they got on the younger side and his voice and material is too light in the cakes. Kellz pushes Brown from a political reason, not a musical reason, because when he differs to him, its about the commerical aspect, not the creativity aspect. that is why a cat like Trey Songz is Unsung bound because as watered down things are, he ain't got no songs, and no cross over or even strong enough R&B pull to get that statement song and moment without being in a colab.

    i watch this game and see how it all plays out and its a lot going on which is complex and yet so much so simple.

    funny thing is chris brown,usher or trey songz did a love letter and write me back they would be running the biz and thicke and timberlake etc.. wouldn't get no pass. on other hand none of those cats combined could pull off a black panties project without getting laughed at with said subject matter.intersting dynamics and takes

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    I definitely should of added the age issue. Heck, I even discussed that point in another post. If you look at his career, there's no guarantee he wouldn't be in the same position if he didn't have the case and allegations surrounding him. I totally agree with you on the balance issue and I guess that's what I was getting at. He doesn't make it easy when it comes to sales. Hidden Content

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    Anyone have a sales update?

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    Just noticed they announced that Legs Shakin' is the new single on Facebook.

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