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Hook it up/Freaky in the club single release

This is a discussion on Hook it up/Freaky in the club single release within the R. Kelly Music Chat forums, part of the R. Kelly Discussion category; Hidden Content Originally Posted by mistermaxxx Hidden Content that would have been the money cut since having Snoop on a ...

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by mistermaxxx Hidden Content
    that would have been the money cut since having Snoop on a Hook is a sure bet at a chart hit these days. I like Freaky in a Club, but I just think it's lights out for the double up Project. 3 singles released and videos with guests and barely pushing a million copies speaks volumes and it says it's a wrap for this Project IMO.
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    My sentiments exactly. "Freaky In The Club" is a nice song with single potential but I think that not even a "Freaky In The Club" can revive the "Double Up" project. It's time to put it to bed.
    I agree with maxxx with 2nd R. I like Freaky In The Club but the overall buzz for the album seemed to die down. Maybe DU tour will do its part to add a little fuel, not another single release....

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    Jive records spent alot of money on the budget for this project. the tour will even things out and any act knows that on the road is where the real Bread is. album sales matter as do chart success,but unless you sell a bunch of albums and your budget is low, then you are more than likely not seeing much money off a album project.

    i know about bootleggers, I pdo, downloading, file-sharing,etc.... but i also know that when a album has the goods it will sell as well. believe me if the album is strong folks will buy. naw the days of 12 play self title, double R of selling those kind of numbers are long gone, but Kellz can still do platinum to double platinum with ease with the right tracks and if he just does himself all the way soulful then he will sell even more.

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    Kellz will never go double platinum UNTIL the trail his behind him...People will not support real R&B ( and agree with everyone that is when he shines like no other) from him until he's proven innocent...That's why Jive and Kelly are going this rout.....hip hop/R&B.

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    Album Sales suck. This is a fact.

    R.Kelly going RIAA Certified Platinum on a hip-hop CD while still under media and judicial pressure ALSO speaks volumes.

    R&B, or at least REAL R&B wont get you past 500K units. Hell, R&B hasnt been able to get most artists past 250K units. This is also a fact.

    I also think we can stick a fork in Double Up. But we'll see what Jive does.
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    They are probably releasing the singles to promote the tour other rhan the album itself.

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    Also one thing; Jive promoted the album like crazy, but it looks like they didn't really care for the singles. Come on "Rock Star" didn't get promotion at all, the video was released but the single is only availeble for digital download. They didn't even gave Double Up the promotion it should get overseas, even TP.3 had a better promotion outside the US. Is there a International cd single release?? NO, it looks like Double Up is only a US album. Thata's why the album isn't doing good outside the US
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    I disagree with those who say a real R&B album won't get past 500,000 or a million copies sold. Chocolate Factory was the living proof. That disc sold almost 3 million copies in the US. Hell, even the not-at-all-promoted HP/USM sold better than Double Up. So yes, if he releases real music, the numbers will increase. Of course they will.

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by The R. Hidden Content
    I disagree with those who say a real R&B album won't get past 500,000 or a million copies sold. Chocolate Factory was the living proof. That disc sold almost 3 million copies in the US. Hell, even the not-at-all-promoted HP/USM sold better than Double Up. So yes, if he releases real music, the numbers will increase. Of course they will.
    Chocolate Factory had a MONSTER hit in Ignition Remix. Past any Im'a Flirt, Fiesta Remix, Thoia Thoing numbers. You hear Ignition Remix on dance mixes frequently at most bars, clubs and pubs. It sat atop the Pop, Top40, Urban and Adult Contempo charts for weeks and weeks. For the sake of this conversation however, Ignition Remix is not R&B. Not in the sense of how we are discussing it right now. Its a fusion of R&B, feel-good Pop and extremely talented, clever and gifted production and writing.

    Step in the Name of Love was also lightning in a bottle. Right time, right place, right groove. And no one else but R.Kelly could have pulled off a song like that; because no one else had DONE a song like that (contempo/modern R&B-neo era of course). These steppin' tracks fall into the same category as Trapped in the Closet: "Straight Outta Nowhere" tracks. Highly successful but neither R.Kelly or Jive can say with a straight face that they ANTICIPATED that success.

    ^ ^ That is where the 3Mil comes from.

    2003 was also a year where File Sharing was in the middle stages of development. In 1998 file sharing was mostly a "geeky" P2P platform where people could rip stuff off and feel like "hackers". In 2001-02 is started to take form, shape and notice. In 2004 it became an epidemic and actually started to seriously affect company and artist profits. And now...well, if you BUY a CD its because that artist(s) happens to be one of your utmost favorite artists. So comparing totals of 2007 to 2003 wouldnt be entirely accurate. There are some definite adjustments that have to be made; similar to inflation! lol

    HP/USM was riding off of the success of Step in the Name of Love and partially on Happy People. It also appealed to a more mature audience. I know people 40, 50 years old that bought that album. It didnt sound like anything else out there. Not even by R.Kelly standards. Which is why I think it was highly successful. Like I said above, these "straight outta nowhere" concept songs/albums are money in the bank for Kellz. R.Kelly and Jive rode the cash train straight to the bank on that one and Trapped in the Closet.

    But I also agree with you and everyone else that the quality of music has gone down. And thats simply because Hip-Hop itself, IMO, does not hold a candle to a great R&B Song. No way...no how. But in Hip-Hop standards, Kellz flow, musicality, production and quality is excellent. Double Up has some serious "windows down" songs that anyone that appreciated Hip-Hop would enjoy.

    On that same note, I dont think the style of music has really affected his numbers significantly. Would there be a drop by him doing all this hip hop? Of Course!! But dont you think both Kellz and Jive anticipated this variance? They understand that sometimes, with an artist like R.Kelly, you have to sacrafice a few things to not only HAVE been successful but CONTINUE to be successful. Double Up era songs have exposed R.Kelly to a totally new generation. Which I think was the main focus by both R.Kelly and Jive rather than trying to outsell Beyonce.
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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by The R. Hidden Content
    I disagree with those who say a real R&B album won't get past 500,000 or a million copies sold. Chocolate Factory was the living proof. That disc sold almost 3 million copies in the US. Hell, even the not-at-all-promoted HP/USM sold better than Double Up. So yes, if he releases real music, the numbers will increase. Of course they will.
    just in name alone R.Kelly can debut with Gold like numbers. now the better the material and the stronger the Material the better his numbers will be.

    I make no excuses because he is a Artist who has a strong base and with the right material that showcase him the best he will sell.

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by The R. Hidden Content
    I disagree with those who say a real R&B album won't get past 500,000 or a million copies sold. Chocolate Factory was the living proof. That disc sold almost 3 million copies in the US. Hell, even the not-at-all-promoted HP/USM sold better than Double Up. So yes, if he releases real music, the numbers will increase. Of course they will.
    Of course they will. Kellz is the most commercial R&B artist out there right now which means he can hold his own without sacrificing his music as much as so many other colleagues. Shit, if his deep R&B album flops real hard, then we can really talk about R&B dying or whatever.

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