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This is a discussion on 'Double Up' Album Discussion within the R. Kelly Music Chat forums, part of the R. Kelly Discussion category; Hidden Content Originally Posted by gsteezy Hidden Content R Kelly didnt sell out, he's changing with the times. Like i ...

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by gsteezy Hidden Content
    R Kelly didnt sell out, he's changing with the times. Like i said before, if Kells just did slow jams he would not be selling like he does. When he does want to use his artistic freedom, like on HP/USM the label lets him take a chance cuz he always puts up big numbers. but he's gotta go back to what sells bcause young people are the ones with the most disposable income so they buy the albums, ringtones, etc. thats just being smart and thats what has always kept him ahead of the pack. Brian McKnight, Joe and all the other guys his age dont sell like he does cuz they haven't made that transition. so this album to me is perfect because it keeps him relevant, cuz that last album didnt do it, the oinly thing that saved it was trapped. we might get an album where he gets more adventuyrous on the next one, especially if this record dos big numbers. but the thing u gotta remember also is kells aint gettin any younger so he's gotta make all the chart toppers he can for the youth while he's still got a young look and everything. then maybe he can transition to like an isley brothers or something in another 10 years or so.
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    but he will lose respect.

    look at prince. kept respect for the music. releasing the greatest music still...his own trademark style now, whats he recently been hailed? the G.O.A.T

    kelly has his own style now hes let himself down n lowered himself to average RnB cats.
    YOU KNOW who had this SAME arguement and problem....dr. dre....look at where he is at now. Hidden Content

    its called evolution. we all cant stay the same forever. nothing on earth can. or else we would still be living in caves battling dinosaurus. we all move on and evolve....but we keep some of the best traits and useful things from our past as PART of our evolution.

    which is exactly what r.kelly is doing.
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    evolving by having others do it for him?

    sorry, dont agree with it. hes selling out, he wants commercial appeal...this is exactly what brings the music down.

    RESPECT THE MUSIC.

    what its all about

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by 2nd_Kelly Hidden Content
    evolving by having others do it for him?

    sorry, dont agree with it. hes selling out, he wants commercial appeal...this is exactly what brings the music down.

    RESPECT THE MUSIC.

    what its all about
    i want to agree with you but cant. thats ok...thats the beauty of a forum discussion.

    i respect your point of view and some here share the same thoughts you do.

    having someone "do it for you" is not selling out IMO. its collaborating with your peers and your industry.

    but dont worry. im sure making babies will have rob writing, producing, arrangin, performing and even cleaning the floors of his own studio and we can all be happy again. Hidden Content
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    it is the beauty of discusiion.

    i respect ur opinion and im glad u have ur own views that u stick onto...i admire that.

    lol im hopeing to hear Making Babies in its entirety soon! lol

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    As most of you know, I agree with what 2nd Kelly said. But I'm not posting here to talk about that ... My question is:

    @ 2nd Kelly

    How do you know that there are songs from Making Babies on this CD, and you even say you know that Sweet Tooth was supposed to be the first track on that CD?

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    The new r-kelly.com intro

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    Only 1 thing to do & that is.....Double Up
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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by Andy Hidden Content
    The new r-kelly.com intro

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    Only 1 thing to do & that is.....Double Up
    Wow that was cool. Thanks for the link.
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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by 2nd_Kelly Hidden Content
    but he will lose respect.

    look at prince. kept respect for the music. releasing the greatest music still...his own trademark style now, whats he recently been hailed? the G.O.A.T

    kelly has his own style now hes let himself down n lowered himself to average RnB cats.
    I gotta Disagree with you. Prince ain't counted in 20 years. the Man can Play Live and People respect what he did, but Prince's best days are way in the Past tense. Prince in the 90's followed the the trends and it made him look bad. He incorperated New Jack swing, Rap and dance Hall and alot of People kicked him to the curb. but His Live Performances is what keeps him going because Peole stopped buying his albums a long time ago. Prince ain't had a Jam in Years,but he still can bring it on the stage and truth be told if it wasn't for that he would be almost forgotten.


    as for R's new One which of course I will be there on Tuesday,but just as I thought it's just like TP3 in that alot of the tracks sound like he was working on 4 different Projects at once and took Vault tracks from some time ago and gave them to Jive. i gotta wonder what his Situation is like with Jive these days?? I mean "The Zoo" alone is 4 years old. when do you know of Kells to take a Re-Mix track after he has given a Artist a Original and then for him to go and release it is as His Main lead off track? if you ask me something don't add up. I like the Raggae feel traccks. aside from "double Up" where he teams up with a Rapper the other ones just leave me cold. Yeah as with the case with TP3 Kellz has tracks intended for other Projects scattered on here. it's another all over the place type of Album where you got a Hit,but it sounds to me like a cat just going through the Motions. I dig all the Slow Jams. but the colabs are 2nd tier worthy IMO. the Kind of Stuff he could have done in his sleep. to me trim this album to about 12 cuts and have the slow Cuts of at least 6-7 and then to Me you have a Classic album.

    there is a War going on because Kellz wants to put out Musical Virus and to me He seems to be Protesting and he is just getting more excited about dropping 'Trapped in the Closet" part 180 then anything else. I say the Brother is Bored. I think and truly believe that if it weren't for His court case and he was free to Bounce then he would go elswhere. Musically He is already tired of Modern day R&B and Rap. He can talk like a Politician,but this Man's Musical Skills are far better than what alot of Double Up Showcases. I knew this Project was in trouble musically when I heard some People say that it's better than TP3. that didn't take alot to do. now in the 00's you got the standards of Tp2, Chocolate Factory,Loveland,Happy People, I dare anyone to Put Double Up alongside that wall and with a compelling Argument. Please the forum is yours and I await. Double Up, Best of Both worlds,Unfinished Business, Tp3 are the Opposite end on a whole of what I dig in a Kellz Album. I think He is playing the role and it will work for this Project and Maybe 1-2 more,but after that he has to Hit Hard. to Me he ain't got quite all the Artistic Freedom we are lead to Believe. Musical Virus is for the Die-hard Fans and alot of the stuff where he is working in these tired Colabs is what the powers that be want and it isn't a good balance IMO. this is just my take. Yeah He is the Best Musical Force in any style of Music going today bar none,but he also knows that alot of the stuff he has to to on these colabs that he could snore out in his sleep.

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    Nice post maxx. I don't think the cd is bad, but I know what Kellz is capable of and I agree that something must be going on with Jive. I believe that this cd is something pushed by Jive and the big heads. Too many weird collaborations except for Snoop that chemistry is really good. But putting Nelly, Chamillionare, Huey on a Kellz cd....WTF.

    The slow songs are nice, but I know Kellz can do better.....just listen to what he put out on CF and Loveland, don't tell me he doesn't want to put music out like that.

    The reason his cd took a turn, is probably because Jive made it take a turn....a cd with all love ballads wouldn't bring the buzz and hype that Jive probably wanted.

    I'm not disappointed in the cd overall, I'm just sad that Kellz is putting out the kind of music he's capable of doing....just some pure R & B with a little of this classis thug. He could have had the same buzz on his cd using Flirt, Same Girl, Double Up and Freaky in the Club and keeping the rest nice R & B....I hear people actually saying Neyo is one of the coldest cats out making R & B music, I get pissed cause I know that's Kellz spot but Kellz isn't putting out anything that's classis R & B anymore....maybe we'll get this type of music back soon.

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    we need to start a "Double Up" contraversy thread ... lol!!

    ^ ^ the above conversations are waaaaaay out of the scope of what this thread is about. lol
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